[osumike11379]

I have never seen someone have such horrible luck with AA preflop - YEAH you need to start laying it down for awhile wtf are you playing P*'s??

you are like the last bail of hay in a 20 year drought - the donkeys stampede to get at you!!!

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by osumike11379

I have never seen someone have such horrible luck with AA preflop - YEAH you need to start laying it down for awhile wtf are you playing P*'s??

you are like the last bail of hay in a 20 year drought - the donkeys stampede to get at you!!!

Well, I got 800 hands in tonight. Got AA a total of 5 times... and took down the blinds 5 times! It was awesome! Never lost my stack (at the cash tables) all night!!!

So while I was making $200 back towards my losses the other night, I decided to take imthatguy's advice and play some SnG's. See, I've never EVER cashed at a real-money SnG online... always take a bad beat or catch some rotten luck to bust out on (or near) the bubble. Well, here were the outcomes tonight:

Doubled up early when I flopped 9's-full and some idiot got it all-in with A-high... then lost a big hand to a runner-runner straight. Have just been stealing blinds occasionally since then.
***** Hand History for Game 6816781309 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 38624952) - Mon Feb 25 01:02:41 EST 2008
Table Speed 1330015 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: costaram (4120)
Seat 3: Kiilertwos (3800)
Seat 4: ABakes14 (5360)
Seat 6: Sniper6868 (2800)
Seat 7: iNano78 (1980)
Seat 9: Spaulia73 (1940)
iNano78 posts small blind (200)
Spaulia73 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iNano78 [ , ]
costaram raises (1200) to 1200
Kiilertwos folds
ABakes14 folds
Sniper6868 raises (2800) to 2800
Sniper6868 is all-In.
iNano78 calls (1780)
iNano78 is all-In.
Spaulia73 folds
costaram calls (1600)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ ]
** Dealing River ** : [ ]
Creating Main Pot with $6340 with iNano78
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1640 with Sniper6868
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6340 | Side Pot 1: 1640
Board: [ ]
costaram balance 9300, bet 2800, collected 7980, net +5180 [ ] [ three of a kind, Fives -- ,,,, ]
Kiilertwos balance 3800, didn't bet (folded)
ABakes14 balance 5360, didn't bet (folded)
Sniper6868 balance 0, lost 2800 [ ] [ high card King -- ,,,, ]
iNano78 balance 0, lost 1980 [ ] [ a pair of Queens -- ,,,, ]
Spaulia73 balance 1540, lost 400 (folded)

And that's why I don't play SnG's... can't get my money back in so I can rob these donks over the next 2 hours! Well, let's try another one, shall we:

The guy on my right, MajorD1, has literally played every hand until this one... He's got to be the luckiest guy I've ever seen, getting it all-in with nothing several times and catching runner-runner trips, straights, and two-pair every time! Couldn't believe it when I'm finally dealt a decent starting hand and he... FOLDS?! WTF? Must be a REALLY bad hand for him. Oh well, maybe somebody else will pay me off...

***** Hand History for Game 6816827344 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 38625215) - Mon Feb 25 02:06:44 EST 2008
Table Table 125943 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: mulwala12 (1760)
Seat 4: papafishsnow (7490)
Seat 5: MajorD1 (7620)
Seat 6: iNano78 (1510)
Seat 9: SerB75 (1620)
SerB75 posts small blind (100)
mulwala12 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iNano78 [ , ]
papafishsnow folds
MajorD1 folds
iNano78 raises (1510) to 1510
iNano78 is all-In.
SerB75 folds
mulwala12 calls (1310)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ ]
** Dealing River ** : [ ]
Creating Main Pot with $3120 with iNano78
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3120
Board: [ ]
mulwala12 balance 3370, bet 1510, collected 3120, net +1610 [ ] [ a pair of Aces -- ,,,, ]
papafishsnow balance 7490, didn't bet (folded)
MajorD1 balance 7620, didn't bet (folded)
iNano78 balance 0, lost 1510 [ ] [ a pair of Kings -- ,,,, ]
SerB75 balance 1520, lost 100 (folded)

Hey... How dare he win with AA!!

Well, I'm still happy! My AA never got cracked tonight! Woohoo!!! First time in ... well, since I started playing online! Now, if I could just win a showdown with them, I'll be golden!




*EDIT* Just as a bonus, here's a hand I wish I could take back and do again:

***** Hand History for Game 6816825765 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 38625215) - Mon Feb 25 02:04:35 EST 2008
Table Table 125943 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: mulwala12 (1860)
Seat 4: papafishsnow (10650)
Seat 5: MajorD1 (3760)
Seat 6: iNano78 (1910)
Seat 9: SerB75 (1820)
mulwala12 posts small blind (100)
papafishsnow posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iNano78 [ , ]
MajorD1 raises (600) to 600
iNano78 folds
SerB75 folds
mulwala12 folds
papafishsnow calls (400)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ , , ]
papafishsnow checks
MajorD1 bets (3160)
MajorD1 is all-In.
papafishsnow calls (3160)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ ]
** Dealing River ** : [ ]
Creating Main Pot with $7620 with MajorD1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 7620
Board: [ ]
mulwala12 balance 1760, lost 100 (folded)
papafishsnow balance 6890, lost 3760 [ ] [ a pair of Eights -- ,,,, ]
MajorD1 balance 7620, bet 3760, collected 7620, net +3860 [ ] [ two pairs, Aces and Tens -- ,,,, ]
iNano78 balance 1910, didn't bet (folded)
SerB75 balance 1820, didn't bet (folded)

Notice how he gets it all-in with over-cards against a pair, then catches runner-runner two-pair?! This was the norm all tourney long. It was surreal! But I checked the standings and he finished 3rd ($10) when he got it all-in on the flop with K-high and lost to a rivered A (A-high was already beating him)... so I guess justice was (sort of) served.

[jdunford]

Well, I won an SnG last night! First one ever. And not because I played it all that well (see hand below). But I figured out the trick: Don't get dealt AA!! Never saw them; never busted! Never got sucked-out on at all, actually. Saw 3 other players get it all-in with the "Pocket Blanks" and lose... Here's what can happen if you make the mistake of getting it all-in with AA (and one of my best suck-out performances ever, en route to taking down the SnG):

***** Hand History for Game 6820110515 *****
1200/2400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 38645385) - Tue Feb 26 01:22:06 EST 2008
Table Turbo 1357927 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: wdipalma (7000)
Seat 8: iNano78 (11320)
Seat 9: Orig_Ankara (1680)
Orig_Ankara posts small blind (600)
wdipalma posts big blind (1200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iNano78 [ , ]
iNano78 raises (2400) to 2400
Orig_Ankara calls (1080)
Orig_Ankara is all-In.
wdipalma raises (2400) to 3600
iNano78 raises (7600) to 10000
wdipalma calls (3400)
wdipalma is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ ]
** Dealing River ** : [ ]
Creating Main Pot with $5040 with Orig_Ankara
Creating Side Pot 1 with $10640 with wdipalma
** Summary **
Main Pot: 5040 | Side Pot 1: 10640
Board: [ ]
wdipalma balance 7000, bet 7000, collected 7000, net +0 [ ] [ a straight Ten to Ace -- ,,,, ]
iNano78 balance 11320, bet 10000, collected 10000, net +0 [ ] [ a straight Ten to Ace -- ,,,, ]
Orig_Ankara balance 1680, bet 1680, collected 1680, net +0 [ ] [ a straight Ten to Ace -- ,,,, ]

I'm such a donk!

Oh, and here's why AA should be an auto-fold... didn't have as good of luck in the next SnG:

***** Hand History for Game 6820175395 *****
600/1200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 38645699) - Tue Feb 26 02:42:31 EST 2008
Table Table 126423 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: kl0pz (6420)
Seat 5: iNano78 (8760)
Seat 7: vmkalika (4820)
iNano78 posts small blind (300)
vmkalika posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iNano78 [ , ]
kl0pz raises (1200) to 1200
iNano78 raises (2100) to 2400 (he was really tight-passive; had folded to all of my 3 x BB raises, so thought I'd try to show a little weakness here. I know; dangerous to get "crafty", but...)
vmkalika folds
kl0pz raises (5220) to 6420 (seems it worked!)
kl0pz is all-In.
iNano78 calls (4020)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ ]
** Dealing River ** : [ ]
Creating Main Pot with $13440 with kl0pz
** Summary **
Main Pot: 13440
Board: [ ]
kl0pz balance 13440, bet 6420, collected 13440, net +7020 [ ] [ a full house, Nines full of Tens -- ,,,, ]
iNano78 balance 2340, lost 6420 [ ] [ two pairs, Aces and Tens -- ,,,, ]
vmkalika balance 4220, lost 600 (folded)

I battled back to the lead, lost an all-in pre-flop with KK, battled back to 2nd, then lost to AA when I pushed with junk (suited connectors). Finished 3rd. And it ended 1 hand later when vmkalika pushed with junk...

And of course I was playing cash tables at the same time. All together, played just under 600 hands. I had AA 9 times. Got 2 walks from the BB, took down the blinds 4 times, took down a pot on a flop (won about 5 x BB net), and lost this all-in pre-flop hand. Oh, and just remembered, finished 9th in another SnG: AA vs. 44 pre-flop. Anyway, still haven't won a showdown with AA since 2007 (live or online).

[jojobinks]

enough is enough. i started my own thread to protect the good name of AA.

linky dinky

[imthatguy]

Here Jeff, you can have this for your signature when you're ready...

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

Here Jeff, you can have this for your signature when you're ready...

LMAO!!

OK, how about this: When I FINALLY win a showdown with AA (live or online), it'll be my last post to this thread where I whine about losing with AA. Well, except when I take a really horrendous beat, like lose to the Hammer (a la "Achievement Unlocked"; nearly did it above, but he had 75o, not 72o), or flop Aces-Full and lose to rivered quads or straight-flush, etc.

I was going to say "the first time I win a showdown with AA this year", but the verdict is still out on that one. I mean, it's been 2 months, and over 10,000 hands! (no, not 10,000 times with AA... that would really suck! But a few dozen times with AA is bad enough.)

[hachkc]

My contribution here also, biggest lose (BB wise) with AA. I'm 200 deep against another guy almost 200 deep.

POKERSTARS GAME #4157486586: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/03/03 - 00:46:46 (ET)
Table 'Venus II' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: MUSKWIN ($53 in chips)
Seat 2: hachkc ($99.50 in chips)
Seat 3: MUCKINMETAL ($16.80 in chips)
Seat 4: ospice ($44.95 in chips)
Seat 5: shorty2004 ($23.20 in chips)
Seat 6: bigredhoss ($97.70 in chips)
Seat 7: ruckycharms ($63.85 in chips)
Seat 8: magicchamp ($70.25 in chips)
Seat 9: CodeMonkee ($20.75 in chips)
ruckycharms: posts small blind $0.25
magicchamp: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hachkc [Ah Ad]
CodeMonkee: folds
MUSKWIN: calls $0.50
hachkc: raises $1.50 to $2
MUCKINMETAL: folds
ospice: folds
shorty2004: folds
bigredhoss: calls $2
ruckycharms: folds
magicchamp: folds
MUSKWIN: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [3c 7c 2h]
MUSKWIN: checks
hachkc: bets $7.50
bigredhoss: raises $7.50 to $15
MUSKWIN: folds
hachkc: raises $7.50 to $22.50
bigredhoss: calls $7.50
*** TURN *** [3c 7c 2h] [6d]
hachkc: bets $20
bigredhoss: raises $53.20 to $73.20 and is all-in
hachkc: calls $53.20
*** RIVER *** [3c 7c 2h 6d] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hachkc: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
bigredhoss: shows [2c Kc] (three of a kind, Deuces)
bigredhoss collected $195.15 from pot
bigredhoss said, "lolololololol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $198.15 | Rake $3
Board [3c 7c 2h 6d 2d]
Seat 1: MUSKWIN folded on the Flop
Seat 2: hachkc showed [Ah Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 3: MUCKINMETAL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ospice folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: shorty2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bigredhoss (button) showed [2c Kc] and won ($195.15) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 7: ruckycharms (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: magicchamp (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: CodeMonkee folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[JoseRijo]

Hachkc, that hand deserves it's own thread!

My first thought is "wow, the villain played awful." But the hand is actually a
complete coin flip after the flop:

Poker Odds Calculator (twodimes.net)
pokenum -h ah ad - kc 2c -- 3c 7c 2h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 7c 3c 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 497 50.20 493 49.80 0 0.00 0.502
Kc 2c 493 49.80 497 50.20 0 0.00 0.498

When I'm playing, I don't readily recognize flush-draw+third-pair as a big
drawing hand. I'm going to have to watch for those from now on.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by JoseRijo

Hachkc, that hand deserves it's own thread!

My first thought is "wow, the villain played awful." But the hand is actually a
complete coin flip after the flop:

Poker Odds Calculator (twodimes.net)
pokenum -h ah ad - kc 2c -- 3c 7c 2h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 7c 3c 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 497 50.20 493 49.80 0 0.00 0.502
Kc 2c 493 49.80 497 50.20 0 0.00 0.498

When I'm playing, I don't readily recognize flush-draw+third-pair as a big
drawing hand. I'm going to have to watch for those from now on.

I cracked AA last weekend on a similar hand. 7-player SnG-style LIVE tourney. Early stages, and allowed 1 re-buy per person that no one has used yet.

Short stack, who had just lost half his stack, min-raised UTG. I had AJo and just called, knowing full-well he would probably push on the flop with any decent cards.

Flop was Q-J-X, all diamonds. UTG pushes. I check my cards and have ... so middle-pair plus the nut flush draw. I figure he could have made that move with any decent cards... I could be winning against TT-88, AK; or I could be losing to AQ, KQ, KK, AA, QQ, JJ, ... where an A is also an out against a few of those hands, and a J could win it for me in other cases. Or he could have made the flush (most likely K-high), in which case I've got 7 outs to the nut flush. I was getting about 3:1 from the pot with 2 players to act behind me; figured that was pretty close to the odds I needed, and that the players behind would most likely just call to "check-it-down"...

I called. Players behind me folded. UTG flipped over AA. I caught a diamond on the river. Moral of the story: don't min-raise with AA from UTG when you're the small stack.

(that, or AA is a drawing hand; don't play it unless you have odds to chase your set! )

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by JoseRijo

Hachkc, that hand deserves it's own thread!

My first thought is "wow, the villain played awful." But the hand is actually a
complete coin flip after the flop:

Poker Odds Calculator (twodimes.net)
pokenum -h ah ad - kc 2c -- 3c 7c 2h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 7c 3c 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 497 50.20 493 49.80 0 0.00 0.502
Kc 2c 493 49.80 497 50.20 0 0.00 0.498

When I'm playing, I don't readily recognize flush-draw+third-pair as a big
drawing hand. I'm going to have to watch for those from now on.

Interesting analysis and I to am surprised it was that close.