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Old 01-08-2008, 02:51 PM
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Re: Pocket-rockets suck AAs

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Is it just me, or does anybody else have a net losing record with AA?
If you have a net losing record with AA, then you are folding them too often.
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:32 PM
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Re: Pocket-rockets suck AAs

I'll refrain from complaining about getting sucked out with AA in a live tourney this weekend to ultimately finish last...

Instead, I'll tell you how I got a little revenge today at lunch, thanks to some help from ChipTalk.net re: suited connectors (see this thread: http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/cash-g...onnectors.html).

I don't have the HH (P*), but here's what happened. Cash game, 10¢/25¢, 6-max, and I'm 4-tabling so I'm very tight (basically, I play AA-TT, AK, AQs... that's about it). Everybody at the table has around $25-$30, except a couple of players have ~ $50.

I'm on the button and have .

Limped around to the cut-off who min-raises to 50¢.

I decide, "you know, I'm probably playing too tight. This is normally an auto-fold for me, but 'what the heck', I'll play them this time and see what happens." I call.

SB calls.
BB min-reraises to 75¢.
Folded around to the cut-off, who min-reraises to $1.
I'm getting nearly as good of odds as before (and against fewer opponents), so I call.
SB calls.
BB re-raises to $2.
Cut-off calls.
Only the SB to act behind me, and so far he's only been calling, so I take that chance and call.
SB calls.

4 players, > $8 in the pot.

Flop is .

Jackpot! Now I just have to hope nobody has AsKs (because they WILL hit if I'm in the hand, guaranteed).

SB checks.
BB bets 50¢ (into an $8 pot? What is he thinking?)
Cut-off raises to $1.
I reraise to $10.
SB calls.
BB reraises all-in (~ $30).
Cut-off folds.
I go all-in (only had about $15 left).
SB calls all-in.

I don't remember what the turn and river were, but in the end, SB had KK, BB had AA, and I took it down with the nut straight (and yes, a spade made the flush possible, but nobody had it).

Woohoo!!! I cracked AA and KK with 56s for a $60 pot! Weee!! Makes me feel much better about the weekend.

This of course was followed by a lot of comments that looked like "*****", to which I replied, "Woohoo! I just made the donkey play of the century!"

And I felt good about it.
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Re: Pocket-rockets suck AAs

Good for you, now maybe I have some revenge coming for this hand. AA vs 22 where the turn gives me the nuts (nut flush) but he makes a boat on the river after flopping a set on a monochrome board and calling my bet. All the money went in on turn when I made my flush.
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Re: Pocket-rockets suck AAs

the wins small pots / loses big pots thing applies here, but only b/c these chumps kept it smallish preflop and then ignored the obvious postflop.

if you want to play AA in a small pot, then limp. if there's a raise, make a big reraise. not a little crafty reraise. if it gets limped around then don't go ape when you get raised, and practice folding.

if you want to make AA into a big pot, then bet it like you have stones, young'ins!
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the wins small pots / loses big pots thing applies here, but only b/c these chumps kept it smallish preflop and then ignored the obvious postflop.

if you want to play AA in a small pot, then limp. if there's a raise, make a big reraise. not a little crafty reraise. if it gets limped around then don't go ape when you get raised, and practice folding.

if you want to make AA into a big pot, then bet it like you have stones, young'ins!
Well, since I've got JoJo here, I'll list my entire hand history from my live tournament this weekend. It won't take long; only played 4 hands.

T50,000. 8-players. Blinds start at 300-500. 20 minutes levels, with antes starting in round 3. 1 re-buy or add-on per person (full buy-in for another T50,000). All but one player has been pretty loose so far. I've played with everybody several times before. Extremely loose-passive player on my right -- plays ATC pre-flop, regardless of pre-flop action. I've literally seen him play 100% of hands to the flop in a 3 hour tournament before... and win! Anyway, solid TAG player on my left. Otherwise a mix of TAGs, LAGs, and LPs, but the players on my immediate left and right will be the only players that matter.

Exactly 1 orbit in, still round 1 (300/500). I'm the BB, with .
Everyone limps (family pot) to me. I raise to 6,000. Several people chuckle and comment on my "huge over-bet". All fold, except the SB (uber-LP player), who calls. I have yet to play a hand, so have a little under 50,000; he has slightly less from limping into every pot so far.
Flop is .
He bets 10,000. Now, this tells me exactly what he has: top-pair-no-kicker. I know this, because he slow-plays (check-calls, then all-in on the river) TPTK or stronger, and he check-calls any weaker pair and/or A-high. I've seen him do it 100 times before.
Happy that I have him crushed, I raise to 20,000. He insta-calls.
Turn is . Sh*te!
He checks.
I smile at him and check, knowing 100% that he just made trips.
Turn is a blank. He doesn't even look at it, and says "all-in".
I smile at him, and quietly state "fold" as I flip over my AA for all to see. He smiles and shows proudly, like it's the nuts.

One could claim that I should've pushed on the flop, but I know he would have called (I've seen it before), and I would have busted, so I'm glad I waited for the turn.

Anyway, 1/2 of my stack gone.

2nd round, blinds are 500-1000. Early position, and I have .
I raise to 6,000.
A couple of snickers, and I get 3 callers from the other end of the table.
Flop is .
We check around on the flop.
Turn is .
I check.
TAG-ish player bets the pot.
Everyone folds, and I show that I had KK.
She shows . I smile.


3rd round. Antes kick in, so it's 100-500-1000. My M is around 5.
I push with from the middle of the table.
Two callers.
Flop is .
They both get all-in.
I don't remember the turn or river.
Turns out they have and .
I'm toast. Re-buy.


Two or three hands later (not even half an orbit), I'm BB again.
This time I have .
Everyone limps; Family pot - 1 with my option.
I jokingly say "I really should raise with this hand, but we saw where raising has been getting me, so I check." A couple people snicker.
Flop is .
Jack-pot! ... as long as nobody flopped a set...
SB checks. He could have nothing, or he could have a set. Doesn't matter; he's down to just over 15,000 in chips, and I've got a fresh stack (minus a couple antes).
I bet 5,000, which is about half the pot.
TAG to my left raises it to 15,000. I'm feeling joyful.
Folded around to the SB, who pushes all-in, which is barely more than a call.
I contemplate the situation and decide, "screw it, I'm all-in."
TAG player on my left groans. He thinks for a while, finally decides to call. I'm sweating bullets, thinking he has 66.
He shows . LAG on my right shows . There is a god after all! Hallelujah!
Turn is a blank.
River is .
My tournament is over. God hates me.
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Re: Pocket-rockets suck AAs

Jeff, stop playing in the Donkaments. Literally!

(I only say this, because that's what the damn thing is called... and I can't beat it either )
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Jeff, stop playing in the Donkaments. Literally!

(I only say this, because that's what the damn thing is called... and I can't beat it either )
Actually, that was the "Tournament of Donkeys"... or "Donkament of Champions"... I couldn't decide on the title, but whatever it is, it lived up to expectations!

Oh, and the LP on my right was out 2nd (he had a re-buy remaining on the hand that busted both of us), and the TAG on my left (who apologized profusely for drawing that miracle 2-outer on the river) ended up winning the tourney 4.5 hours later. I was the host, so I couldn't even pack up and go home.
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That is correct though its a bit on the low side as I have trouble getting away from them when the $#*$& spikes a set or calls all the way to the river and makes 2pr.
I've got a good read on when Aces are no good, it's when I'm holding them!

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$10 for getting aces cracked at .10/.25?

Hey jdunford, thanks a lot for rubbing salt in this American's wounds.
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