[w-thompson]

Yet Another Aces Cracked Story.....

Playing 50cent-$1 NLHE, middle position with 2 red Aces. I raise to $6 (lots of action on this night so while this raise is a little more than normal, I expected at least 1 caller probably 2). One seat before the button calls, button folds, small blind thinks a little while then she pushes all in for about $27. WOOHOO! Action folds around to me so I instantly move all in (not quite the patented Phil Helmuth push but I could not get it in fast enough) for another $54 on top of her raise. The initial caller goes in the tank but he finally folds, showing AK. I triumphantly roll over AA and the villain rolls over her AK.

At least it was over quick as the flop came KKT. I got a glimmer of hope for a chop when a Q turned but the river 7 sealed my fate.

Just needed to vent since my best friend has been down on poker lately and nearly screams "I don't want to hear any bad beat stories!!!!" anytime someone tries to tell a poker story.

-Wayne

[JoseRijo]

That's a pretty good bad beat story. You went from a 7-1 favorite to drawing totally dead. Nice hand!

[FL70]

Not really a badbeat per se. You got drawn out on.

You could have been raising with QQ or JJ, so her AI wasn't way off IMO.

Sure is bad luck though.

[timsta007]

Originally Posted by FL70

Not really a badbeat per se. You got drawn out on.

Ummmmm... I dunno what you consider a bad beat.... this sure qualifies in my book.

Board:
Dead: Ac Kc
..........equity.......win........tie
Hand 0: 94.179%___93.48%___00.70% { AdAh }
Hand 1: 05.821%___05.12%___00.70% { AsKh }


He got all in preflop with the nuts against an opponent holding a 1 / 14 chance of drawing out, and lost. Sorry but you'll have a tough time convincing me this isn't a bad beat.

OP: tough break man. Had a similar beat a while back on the bubble of a $100 buy in tourny. I was on tilt for a week.

[JoseRijo]

But the aces didn't have any outs, because the other guy had AK, too.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=181009
pokenum -h ah ad - ac kc - as kh
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 1178994 86.01 174759 12.75 17001 1.24 0.864
Ac Kc 108705 7.93 1196651 87.30 65398 4.77 0.101
As Kh 17657 1.29 1287699 93.94 65398 4.77 0.035

[timsta007]

Whoops my bad. AcKc was all in not the AKo. But notice that he wasn't up against both hands... so in this case its ~7:1. Misread the OP.

Still a Badbeat in my opinion only because I think people over value AK preflop. To me there really are only two hands that you should move in with preflop and AKs isn't one of them (cash game that is). I suppose 27 BB isn't too much to push with however for the reason of being up against a dominating hand, I don't like playing shortstack tourny strategy in a cashgame. I could go on and on, but nobody cares anyway...

Carry on.

[FL70]

First of all, you've got your scenario wrong.

Originally Posted by w-thompson

The initial caller goes in the tank but he finally folds, showing AK. I triumphantly roll over AA and the villain rolls over her AK.

The AcKc pushed, the AKo folded (not that the folded AK had much effect on the %s):

Dead: As Kh
_________equity__win____tie
AdAh: 87.829% 87.17% 00.66%
AcKc: 12.171% 11.51% 00.66%


Second, if you define bad beat as simply any hand winning that was say a 4-to-1 dog or worse, well then I guess this is a bad beat.

A bad beat to me is when the other player makes a terrible play (read: gets horrible pots odds), but catches some 2-outer or crazy runner-runner to suck out.

What happened here is a cold deck maybe, but you can't fault the player for pushing preflop with AK suited. With the Ac and Kc in your hand, there's only 6 total ways to make AA or KK. So you'd be more apt to put the initial raiser on something like Queens, Jacks or AQ.

Although in re-reading this I noticed WT doesn't say it was a bad beat, only that his Aces got cracked. So I should catalog this under Poker Stories, not Bad Beats

[w-thompson]

I really wasn't calling it a bad beat, just a story but since she hit a two outer followed immediately by a one outer to get trips.... I did have a chance at the miracle runner runner broadway for a chop, but I wasn't as lucky as she was.
I don't really have a set definition of a bad beat story but I kind of lean towards all-in preflop can rarely if ever be a true bad beat.

I, unlike my friend, do listen to bad beat stories (even if its not really a bad beat) since I may get to play against the story teller and get to use some info from the story to get some $ from him. I see it as a community service, helping the story teller to write more poker tales from the bottom of the wallet.


-Wayne

Originally Posted by FL70

First of all, you've got your scenario wrong.

The AcKc pushed, the AKo folded (not that the folded AK had much effect on the %s):

Dead: As Kh
_________equity__win____tie
AdAh: 87.829% 87.17% 00.66%
AcKc: 12.171% 11.51% 00.66%


Second, if you define bad beat as simply any hand winning that was say a 4-to-1 dog or worse, well then I guess this is a bad beat.

A bad beat to me is when the other player makes a terrible play (read: gets horrible pots odds), but catches some 2-outer or crazy runner-runner to suck out.

What happened here is a cold deck maybe, but you can't fault the player for pushing preflop with AK suited. With the Ac and Kc in your hand, there's only 6 total ways to make AA or KK. So you'd be more apt to put the initial raiser on something like Queens, Jacks or AQ.

Although in re-reading this I noticed WT doesn't say it was a bad beat, only that his Aces got cracked. So I should catalog this under Poker Stories, not Bad Beats