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Old 05-07-2007, 11:02 AM
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B&M...people get upset easily.

i tilt easily, long and strong. so in live play i do my best to keep the yap shut.

been playing 4/8 limit at muckleshoot in nearby auburn and running well. last week this happened:
in a 6 way pot, i limp on the button with 87o (with the ). flop comes with two clubs and a seven. it checks around. on the turn the 8 of clubs comes, giving me two pair and a weak flush draw. i bet and 4 players call. the river brings another club, and we check it around.

i wait for it to get to me before opening my hand. i want to see the other hands, i don't think my flush is good, and...there's no reason to open it up as far as i can tell.

the best hand shown is the , and finally i open mine and rake the pot. the guy with the gets huffy. "why can't you show yours first?" me: "i didn't need to." him "yeah, i know you didn't need to, but why didn't you?" me: silence.

what am i gonna do, get in an argument with him about it? the dealer mentions that without betting on the river, hands are shown in order from the blinds.

huffy racks up and storms off.

forward to last night. woman on my right. not very good. she enjoys a comp meal and 4 glasses of merlot, and we talk. she asks about ipods. i explain. she asks about her blackberry. i help. we talk about her poker playing spouse, who i've played with a few times before, and is at a nearby table. she talks strategy and reads on other players and i nod and smile (but she doesn't know much).

after a couple of hours, i call a raise in the bb with 84o (7 ways). flop comes with an 8, she bets out on all streets, and an 8 comes on the river. i check raise her, she calls with one pair, and i rake the pot.

"you check-raised me, didn't you? that's pretty much b%%hit!"
"sorry."
"sorry, he says."

i kinda think she's kidding. but then i know she's not. she is grumbling about it nonstop, especially me playing 84. i put on the ipod.

her husband comes over and asks how things are going. "here we are playing a friendly game, and this guy checkraises me with 84 and then says sorry. can you believe that?" he shrugs it off (as any reasonable person would), and she glares at him.

a seat opens up to her right, and she moves (so as not to be next to...THAT CHECK-RAISING GUY!). she tells her new neighborhood that "these kids think they're playing for $1000! can you believe, trying to make that one extra bet?"

a few minutes later she cracks my AA for a medium sized pot and takes great joy in it. a little while later she busts (for her second hundred) and hauls, giving me a nasty look for punctuation.

so my question...if everyone limps to you and you're on the button with KQs (in a limit game), it's a clear raise, right?
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so my question...if everyone limps to you and you're on the button with KQs (in a limit game), it's a clear raise, right?
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so my question...if everyone limps to you and you're on the button with KQs (in a limit game), it's a clear raise, right?
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:19 AM
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she tells her new neighborhood that "these kids think they're playing for $1000! can you believe, trying to make that one extra bet?"
1. Take some pleasure in being called a "kid."

2. Take even more pleasure in the fact that she's going home with some other guy, not you.
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2. Take even more pleasure in the fact that she's going home with some other guy, not you.
LMFAO.... I shutter to think. Nice one!
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so my question...if everyone limps to you and you're on the button with KQs (in a limit game), it's a clear raise, right?
Sure! As long as you don't mind people recognizing a position raise and calling you down.

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Sure! As long as you don't mind people recognizing a position raise and calling you down.

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Re: B&M...people get upset easily.

if you are playing live you know the players are good, and if they have all limped you know you are at least up against AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, and some good suited connectors like 98s or 87s. I think its an insta-muck and don't think twice.

and you are obviously a total donk for check-raising, anyone can see getting 15-1 that is a clear preflop fold. stick to NL.....
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if you are playing live you know the players are good, and if they have all limped you know you are at least up against AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, and some good suited connectors like 98s or 87s. I think its an insta-muck and don't think twice.
Have you ever played 4-8 in one of these houses? I haven't ever played at Muck, but the people I know that drive 2 hrs to go there are doing so for the larger games 10-20, 20-40 etc. The quality of play in a 4-8 game sitting next to the much larger stakes is not going to be the same. When I am playing 3-6 or 4-8 I make the exact opposite assumption as you did, I assume the play will be horrible. I definately don't assume I am up against a big over pair since it is only two bets to go.

Long story short, check raising with the best of it is the best way I know to make money in those games. Staying to the river on a pair of 8's with a 4 kicker on the other hand......

BTW, IMO KQ would be a wasted raise on the button if everyone limps to you. It is just a pot building raise because you know everyone is going to call off one more bet. Then you are sitting there hoping for a miracle flop. I'd rather see a KQ raise to open in early possition... makes those to act behind you think for a couple seconds before they call with a 7-4 os.

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How are you doing down on level 1? I'm pretty good up here on level 2. Keep a good eye on me though because I could move to level 3 at any time.

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Have you ever played 4-8 in one of these houses? I haven't ever played at Muck, but the people I know that drive 2 hrs to go there are doing so for the larger games 10-20, 20-40 etc. The quality of play in a 4-8 game sitting next to the much larger stakes is not going to be the same. When I am playing 3-6 or 4-8 I make the exact opposite assumption as you did, I assume the play will be horrible. I definately don't assume I am up against a big over pair since it is only two bets to go.

Long story short, check raising with the best of it is the best way I know to make money in those games. Staying to the river on a pair of 8's with a 4 kicker on the other hand......

BTW, IMO KQ would be a wasted raise on the button if everyone limps to you. It is just a pot building raise because you know everyone is going to call off one more bet. Then you are sitting there hoping for a miracle flop. I'd rather see a KQ raise to open in early possition... makes those to act behind you think for a couple seconds before they call with a 7-4 os.

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