[BigWoody]

PokerStars
NLHE Ring Game
$25/$50
8 handed

UTG+1 ($775)
MP1 ($7,370)
Hero ($4,855)
CO ($5,495)
Button ($5,740)
SB ($5,310)
BB ($1,615)
UTG ($6,440)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J.
3 folds, Hero raises to $150, 1 fold, Button calls $150, 2 folds.

Flop: ($375) 9, J, J (2 players)
Hero bets $250, Button calls $250.

Turn: ($875) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $650, Hero calls.

River: ($2,175) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets to $2,000, Hero ???

[shadesofgrey]

woof. Thats a lot of money, but mind you that last bet is only pot sized.

No extra info on the player? LAG/TAG?

I'd have a hard time believing he hit a straight on the river, since he bet out $650 on the turn. Would he make a bet that size on a draw??!?

If Button has 66, 99, or 88, J9, J6, J8, or 7T you're toast.

Its the turn action that has be scratching my head. You show weakness in the check, then it looks like he wants to try and take down an $875 pot with a $650 bet. that $650 bet is smelly. He doesnt want you calling is my read.

The $2k bet at the end screams of desparation (his last shot to take the pot down). If he had a boat I would think he would bet less to try and get some action, but maybe he has JJJ66 and is worried about JJJ99 or JJJ88.

I'd call it.

[99%evil]

I may be way off, but his original call sounds like a positional call. Flop action you bet out, he may be thinking you're playing a continuation bet regardless to what cards hit the flop. You caught a huge chunk of that flop. He was playing from position with a halfway decent hand, maybe A,9 and was going to try and take it later on. You check the turn, he figures you had big cards(AK or AQ) and were only betting the flop as a continutation, he now bets the turn hoping to take the pot down (maybe he hit the 9). You call, he's now got in his head that you missed everything and are trying to catch on the river. River brings an 8 and he's thinking you missed everything and bets big to insure that if you have pocket A's, K's, Q or 10's that his bet is representing the Jacks.

The only hand I fear here is 9,9 or J,9. I wouldn't put him on anything higher.

I'd call this with your money.

[BrakeDust]

Is no one else concerned about him making the flush on the turn? That is prob why Woody checked there.

[shadesofgrey]

Originally Posted by BrakeDust

Is no one else concerned about him making the flush on the turn? That is prob why Woody checked there.

If he hit the flush, do you think that he would bet $650? I dunno.

I was trying to put this hand in terms of the limits i place... by dropping all the $$ amounts two decimal places.

$6.50 bet into a $8.75 pot when he hits a flush? then $20 into a $21 pot? that seems a bit risky with all sorts of boat options out there. It wouldnt surprise me though.

interesting hand.

[99%evil]

Especially when Woody is holding the nut diamond ace in his hand. Maybe the guy called with suited K,Q or J,9. But I put him on A,9

[Harlequin011]

I don't know if I'm still playing after the turn bet.

But I'd make the crying call her and hope that we're at least chopping. I think we're beat but my online game is terrible.

[Poboy]

I don't check the turn.

If this was down at my stakes, I'd call the river bet. Without any reads, I call. Unless you have a reason you think he has xx, then I'm going by his range, which I think is pretty wide.

[timsta007]

Because you check called the turn you've really set yourself up to pay off a hand that beats you when the brick hits the river. Clearly the play on the turn isn't a bad one as there are many conceivable hands that have you beat (flush, 99, J9) and there are a couple ways your hand can significantly improve (river a diamond, pair the board, or hit a river A). Honestly though, the main problem is that your hand is strong enough to beat a boat load of hands that the guy could have including a weaker J (think JQ or JK). I'd have to say that it is highly unlikely that he could be on a complete steal here unless he just called the flop looking for a scare card to bet here. Because of the check on the turn he could possibly think that his A9 is good and bet out, but his follow up bet on the river concerns me because your call on the turn basically screams that you have a legit hand.

Based on the limit and the fact that there is a pair on board, I'd say the most likely is that he has a flush. There's no reason for him to slow play, especially a weak (non-nut) flush on the turn with the pair on board and with your call, he probably feels that he can bet big on the river since you'd probably only call with a J or monster draw (that probably didn't get there based on the river). I wouldn't exclude the possibility that he hit his boat but would figure for a smaller bet on the river (more of a value bet). Though he might be on a some random ass steal here, without more info I have to lay it down and wait for a better spot.

[Double Eagle]

This is an excellent example of the value of position.

I definately don't check the turn here as I don't want to give a free card if he is drawing. I would bet about 1/2 the size of the pot. If you get a raise here, you are probably beat. A call here would really raise my antennae that he has a made flush.

The river card brings in a str8 possibility, but at these blind levels I find it hard to believe that he would be drawing to a str8 with a paired board and a flush showing. I think I would be forced to check the river and be prepared to lay down my hand to a big bet.