[whataboutj]

I recently played in a 30 person $200 buy in, T1500 tourney. The blind sturcture was slow for the first two rounds then started to get fairly agressive.

I opened the tourney by winning the first three hands and had doubled up my stack to 3000 chips. From there I tightened my play and did not really get the cards to get aggressive, but mudled my way through until we had consolidated down to two tables. Once we consolidated the person who sat to my right was a guy who ended up in the money (not sure what spot but it was lower down the money chain) in the 2006 WSOP. He is/was a good player and literally had called out my hole cards after a hand that I took donw where I started with pocket 7's and ended up with the nut straight (guy folded after the river so i didn't show, but the guy to my right delcares "Pocket 7's huh??" - i couldn't believe it)

So on to the hand I busted out :
I am the BB so needless to say Mr. WSOP is the SB. Blinds are 200-400, I have 2000 chips (1600 after the BB) to his 8000 to start the hand. I look down at
Player 1 calls the BB and so does the guy to my right (player 2). I check. The flop comes


Player 1 checks, Player 2 bets 400, I think for a minute and "hesitantly" call. Player 1 folds. It's Player 2 and myself left and I have 1200 in chips left
the Turn

Player 1 bets 800 - I go all in - he calls and turns over
I am feeling pretty good with only one card that can help him............
the River

My jaw hits the floor and I am out of the tourney

So was it a bad beat or was it bad play on my part? I asked him afterward if I had pushed all in after the flop if he would have called and he claims he would have due to pot odds (not sure about that)
Thanks for the input
J

[jojobinks]

b/c of your stack size, i woulda pushed the flop.

you did offer him a pretty good price on the turn. i don't doubt he would have called you on the flop, though, for the same reason (your push wasn't very big).

the bad beat is you going into 200/400 with only 2k in chips, not really anything to do with what happened in the hand

[Quads]

Not a bad beat. He's open ended on the flop, and the price was right for him to call without you pushing on the flop.


wait a sec..... isn't that was jojo just said?

[BrettButter]

First off, the flaws I found in your post..

"I am feeling pretty good with only one card that can help him............"

He actually has 8 cards that can help him. Any 2, or any 7 will make him a straight.

You said you were in the BB, and the SB was Mr. WSOP. If this was true, Mr. WSOP would be acting first after the flop, and you would be second. You stated that player 1 checked, but player 1 is the button. Therefore, Mr. WSOP would have bet out in first position.

I, personally, like to play trips very aggressively. If he's betting in first position with two people to act behind him, he has a piece of this flop, or just assumes that nobody else does. It's time to find out if he does, and what kind of piece if he has hit it. I'd raise him on the flop. It's very possible for him to have a hand like 2-5 or 3-6 here, and you don't want him drawing to a straight. He could also have something like any four, and there's still outs for him to draw to a boat. Get at least most of your money in here, and let him know that if he has a draw, he's drawing for the rest of your chips. If he has a 3 with a better kicker, or something like pocket 4s, then them's the breaks, and move on. You need to get more money in this pot on the flop.

[Quads]

Originally Posted by BrettButter

First off, the flaws I found in your post..

"I am feeling pretty good with only one card that can help him............"

He actually has 8 cards that can help him. Any 2, or any 7 will make him a straight.

Aside from critiquing the OP, technically, he had 14 outs, once, on the flop, and then 8 clean outs on the turn.

[bludevilstud5]

Its hard to think you are gonna get out drawn there so its a little bit of both. You could have pushed on the flop and possibly gotten a call anyway. On the turn it was a no brainer for him to call; he had already put in more than half of your stack so it just doesnt make sense for him to fold. People call the short stacks more on all ins because everyone knows that they are going to make a move, they have to because they cant really get involved in a pot. So, if it was me I probably would have moved in on the flop after the bet, or on the turn; I also think it would have been the same outcome. I doubt he thinks you would have pushed with a set of three's,probably a measily pair of 4's. So if hes putting you on 4's he figures he has two overs and a straight draw, lot of outs for only 800-1200 more. Just my reasoning.

[theirishfinn]

Originally Posted by whataboutj

He is/was a good player and literally had called out my hole cards after a hand that I took donw where I started with pocket 7's and ended up with the nut straight (guy folded after the river so i didn't show, but the guy to my right delcares "Pocket 7's huh??" - i couldn't believe it)

I am also confused on how you could have the nut straight with pocket 7's.

[timsta007]

Maybe two other people folded 88 at some point with a board of 2,3,4,5,6.

[plagueboy]

My math could be wrong, but I can see him calling 400 with a 2800 pot on that draw. It was a bad beat considering what he had, but he also could have had A,3. Although if I had A,3 I would have raised an unraised pot on the small blind.

Decision goes to a bad beat, though.

[BlakeC27]

I just hate going broke in a limped pot.