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Old 08-07-2006, 08:11 PM
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You make the call...

I just got back from Vegas and this hand is still haunting me.

Nothing about it seemed right, but I want to share the pain and see if I am totally off base with the fact that I had to walk around the block after it happened.

$1/2 NL I sat down with $100

I'm catching a few cards and making a few moves in the right positions and after about 2 hours I have almost $350.

I'm actually almost ready to take a break and I look down to see:



Yum.

The typical raise PF at this table is about $10. I'm in an early position so I make it $25 to see who wants to run.

I get one caller, and the pot is now $53 (minus rake so probably just $50.)

The flop comes down:



For what I would consider to be a beautiful AA flop I'm stoked. I can't imagine anyone calling a PF raise with a 4 6...

Now I'm first to act, I open for a pot sized bet: $50

Villian re-raises me for another $50 to $100

I stop and think, OH man could he have flopped trips? Did he possibly keep a 6 4 ?

I think for a moment, to me he looks more like he landed top pair (maybe A 10) and thinks I am sitting on overcards, and he's trying to make a move. I decide to find out. My hand feels strong, I'm on a good rush of wins, let's make it go.

I push all in for my remaing $300 remembering the AA theorum of "take the pot and run away like the little girl you really are whenever you have the chance."

The pot right now without my all in is $200, so with my all in, it is $550 with another $250 to him.

He calls

and flips over:



For a King high flush DRAW

Of course you know what happened, and a diamond fell on the river.

But I'm asking, would you call that? A King high flush draw that pays you about 2-1?

I was floored. I WISHED he would have had trips or a monster, then I would have felt like he had made the right call and I was just out played, but with a DRAW? And not even the nut draw?

It took me an hour to get my head back together after that one.

Did I over-react? (Not at the table of course!) by still holding this one in my brain, or was that just one of those "Well, you got pokered!" scenarios?
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:26 PM
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Re: You make the call...

If you got his name, let me know, I want to play with him
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Re: You make the call...

You didn't mention any sort of read on the villian, nor his stack size, but I assume he had you covered. Had you seen any of the hands he had won previously?

His preflop call is quite loose, but I've seen much worse. His flush draw indeed pays 2-1. The pot odds are giving him 2-1. If you have QQ, JJ or AKo, he has an additional 3 outs. (by my count, you bet 25 PF, 50 post flop, and call his 50 raise, leaving you with 225 for him to call in a pot of 475)
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Re: You make the call...

If you are anything like me, prepare yourself to be stuck with this in your head for a long time.

I was in a similar hand I had top pair and guy went in on the draw with a 7 high. over 1k in the pot. Hits his flush and gloats on the river.

That one is just starting to fizzle out. But I feel your pain.


Bottom line. You did the right thing, but he was luckier that hand.

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Re: You make the call...

Board: Td 3d 5c
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 62.5253 % 62.53% 00.00% { AhAs }
Hand 2: 37.4747 % 37.47% 00.00% { Kd9d }

He has to call $250 to win $550.

0.625253 x $250 = -$156
0.374747 x $550 = +$206

Total EV = + $44

So.. his call is actually good. If for instance his K was live and you had a hand like QhQs

Board: Td 3d 5c
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 54.3434 % 54.34% 00.00% { QhQs }
Hand 2: 45.6566 % 45.66% 00.00% { Kd9d }

0.543434 x 250 = - $136
0.456566 x $550 = $251

Total EV = + $115

Really the only bad play on his part was calling preflop. But post flop you can't fault his call after your all in because it's definitely +EV.


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