[gmunny]

I usually don't post these, but these happened on back to back hands (though on different tables) and I was pretty steaming so I hope I'll feel better after posting them.

NLHE $100 table, I'm in cut off+1, 2 limpers, I raise 3x BB with T 9, Cut-off calls, BB calls, MP calls. Pot has $17.50. Flop comes 6 7 8, sweet i flopped nut straight. Checked to me, I bet $15 to discourage any heart draws. Cut off raises to $30, BB and MP folds. I figure either PP or set, I call. Pot has $77.50. Turn is 3 . Now I know what your thinking, the guy has a flush..but that would'nt be a bad beat in my book. I don't put him on a flush draw, cause he should called my bet instead of raising the turn. I push my last $62.50 in the pot. He calls and show 7 7 . Hmm lets see according two dimes a 77-23 favorite. He has ten outs so of course board pairs on river and he gets his boat and yes he didn't have pot odds to call if he put me on flush or straight.

Even though I was a 3.5 to 1 favorite, that got me mildly upset. I've had worse beats. It was the next hand that did it. I am also playing 2 $100 PLO tables when this hand comes up almost at the same time.

In the SB, I limp with K K 7 3 . 5 of us see the flop. Flop comes out T K 7 . I flop top set with low flush draw. I bet the pot, $5, BB folds, UTG raise to $9.5, Button folds, I re-raise pot to $33.25, UTG calls all-in. He flips over T T 9 8 , so he has set of Tens and a straight draw. Again per two dimes I am a 77-23 favorite. Turn is a 2 , sweet now his straight outs are no good and I am a 98.5-2.5 favorite. River is a T and he hits his one out for quads.

Thanks for listening, I think I feel better already.
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[shadesofgrey]

i hear ya - ouch. i've seen worse - but it still sux.

thats painful

[DDD424]

I completely misread your second hand. Sorry.

[DDD424]

"Now I know what your thinking, the guy has a flush..but that would'nt be a bad beat in my book. I don't put him on a flush draw, cause he should called my bet instead of raising the turn."

I took this quote from your first hand to point out that even if you had just reraised again and not gone all in on the second hand, the dude you're playing with might have thought the same thing and still called your all in on the flop.

In my opinion, raising 9Ts would not have been a bad play from the button if there were 4 or more limpers, however, I think the best option with your hand would have just been a check because you were big blind (I'm assuming because your next hand you're small blind). However, you probably would have called the all in anyways, just for future reference.

Again, this advice is without any reads whatsoever. The party players are notoriously loose, so you probably had a better read on them than me from reading this post.

In general, my advice for you would be to play tighter. Good luck in your future.

Edit: Looking back on it after your comments, I guess it wasn't that bad of a play, we have different playing styles and you played with reads. I apologize for jumping to a conlusion.

[gmunny]

Originally Posted by DDD424

Sorry to hear that, but...

Without any reads, I would have to say that your play on your second hand was a pretty bad one. He had you beat on the flop, when you went all in, so thus, technically I would not consider it as a bad beat. First off, playing 73s on big blind is iffy. On the flop, a bet of pot size with bottom pair and a low flush draw is a mistake in my opinion. The re-raise should have told you to fold, in my opinion, you should always fold to re-raise if you have low pair unless you have the nut straight and the nut flush draw. Going all in at that point, surely you knew you were going to be called. And from then on, you got lucky on the turn and he got lucky on the river, no bets made because of the all-in so technically, there was no bad beat on the flop. In my opinion, you most likely made the call, raise, and then reraise all in decisions because you were on tilt from the previous hand. Of course, I am analzying this without any reads and far away from the action, but that's just my 2 cents.

Please don't take offense, just trying to give some pointers.

Hey 3D,
I think you may have mis-read the second hand. I was playing Pot Limit Omaha high only and I had a Set of Kings and a flush draw on the flop vs. his Set of Tens and a straight draw, which means I was a 78-22 favorite on the flop, which is when all the money went in. It just stings a little more that after the turn he basically only had one live out and he hit it.
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[gmunny]

Originally Posted by DDD424

"Now I know what your thinking, the guy has a flush..but that would'nt be a bad beat in my book. I don't put him on a flush draw, cause he should called my bet instead of raising the turn."

I took this quote from your first hand to point out that even if you had just reraised again and not gone all in on the second hand, the dude you're playing with might have thought the same thing and still called your all in on the flop.

In my opinion, raising 9Ts would not have been a bad play from the button if there were 4 or more limpers, however, I think the best option with your hand would have just been a check because you were big blind (I'm assuming because your next hand you're small blind). However, you probably would have called the all in anyways, just for future reference.

Again, this advice is without any reads whatsoever. The party players are notoriously loose, so you probably had a better read on them than me from reading this post.

In general, my advice for you would be to play tighter. Good luck in your future.

3D, I appreciate the comments, but again, I think you need to re-read the post. I was playing 3 tables at once, 1 No Limit Hold Em table and 2 Pot Limit Omaha tables. The first hand was on the No Limit table, the 2nd hand ws from the Pot Limit Omaha table. Also in the first hand, I was in was not the BB, but 2 in front of the button (Cut-off-1).

Now it may be questionable that I raise PF with T9s, but I raise 70% of the time with suited connectors (in an unraised pot) to mix up my play and so I can also represent an ace if it flops, espeically if the table is a weak/tight after the flop. And it also disquises my hand as the player may think I have AK -AJ. Now if it were Limit instead of No Limit, I think you are right, there may not be enough players in the hand and I probably would have limped instead. But in no limit, I always look at the players stack size in addition to how much the pot is, my goal is always to double my stack.

As far as post flop, there is no way that I am giving 3 other players a free look at a a flush draw after flopping the nuts. If it was heads up, sure, but not with this many players. After the other two players folded to the bet and the raise, I now just called because I was heads up. I felt if I re-raised, he may have folded and I wanted to extract the maximum from him.

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[erikk]

personally I don't think you made any mistakes in play. The T9s preflop raise might have been a little loose but I don't know the table or your image at the moment so I can't really comment on it. It's definitely a play I would do in certain circumstances just to mix it up (hell Wed it paid off huge for me with 79s). Definitely a couple truly bad beats.

[DDD424]

Doh!

Sorry gnummy, you're right, I did misread the second hand. I thought that somehow there was a glitch in the posting and the first 2 cards in your hand and your opponents were just a glitch.

So your plays weren't as bad as I made them out to be and I guess you weren't the big blind in the first hand, so it wasn't too bad of a play.

Sorry for critiquing your play without reading your post carefully. Hope you have better lucky in the future.