[SteveA]

Early in a 9 player T1000 live tourney with 10/20 blinds.

This is the first hand I played and I've folded on the button twice.

I'm in late position to the right of the button.

-Action folds to me
-I raise 3x bb with Ks8s (hoping to steal)
-Button calls
-small blind calls - pot is 200
-flop: 448 with two diamonds
- small blind checks
- I announce a raise of 150 but actually throw 200 into the pot. I acknowledge my mistake but leave all the money - pot is 400.
-button folds.
-small blind re-raises 200 - pot is 600.

The small blind has already been in about 3 or 4 pots. He won a couple and folded a couple. He seemed like a solid player.

Now what???

[KYBill]

how much in chips do you start with? I would fold early in a tourney in this situation ( depending on how many chips i have) but towards the end i would reraise or go all in depending on who i was up against and how they usually play mid pairs.

If i was up against an agressive player i would have checked top pair and let him bet into me after the flop then reraised to find out where i stand in the hand. If he would call my reraise i would put him on a flush draw , if he re-raises or moves all in i would think he has me on a flush draw and is holding a higher pp or a-4 or a-8 and is tring to push me out before i hit the flush.

Looks like you may be up against A-4, a flush draw, or a mid pair.

I try and stay away from these situations early in a tourny and would probably fold.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by SteveA

Early in a 9 player live tourney with 10/20 blinds.

This is the first hand I played and I've folded on the button twice.

I'm in late position to the right of the button.

-Action folds to me
-I raise 3x bb with Ks8s (hoping to steal)
-Button calls
-small blind calls - pot is 200
-flop: 448 with two diamonds
- small blind checks
- I announce a raise of 150 but actually throw 200 into the pot. I acknowledge my mistake but leave all the money - pot is 400.
-button folds.
-small blind re-raises 200 - pot is 600.

Now what???

i'm assuming here that you started with 1000 chips and started this hand with all of them.

you've bet 260 on the hand. 60 PF and 200 on the flop. you have 740 chips left.

what sb might have (assuming competent play):

a random 4
against trips, you're 8% to win, and he won't fold.

a flush draw with overcards
against QJ diamonds, you're just about even money.

an overpair.
against a random overpair, you're 16% to win.
if we assume he'd have reraised AA-QQ, then you gain almost no ground with your K overcard against this new range.

a made boat
not very likely. but if he's got it, you're about 2% to win.

so, you're likely to be a big dog, and no better than a coinflip barring some incredible read.

in addition, the min-raise is a trap move. unless i know more about this guy, i'm assuming i'm beat and bowing out semi-gracefully. then, i'd try my best to wheedle him into showing his cards.

[KYBill]

I edited my post above and added more to it but a agree with JOJO and if you led out and bet and get a reraise you should fold early in a tourney with that many starting chips.

I think this really depends on who you are playing , like i said above i would have checked this to an aggressive player and reraised.

[SteveA]

I edited my origianl post...

The small blind has already been in about 3 or 4 pots. He won a couple and folded a couple. He seemed like a solid player.

That's all the info. I had.

[Colquhoun]

First of all, I don't like trying to steal this early, the amount of the blind is just not worth with three still to act. That said, you are probably behind when he re-raises. I would get away from this asap.

[Pavel6969]

Easy fold. Way to early and way to many hands out there that could beat you for you to risk your stack.

[nianticcardplayer]

You said this was earlier in the tourney so your raised bet in itself could signal an attempt to steal blinds esp with three left to call and two ultimately doing so. From your post the table has had a chance to play at least 30 or so hands (seeing how you folded the two times you had the button and this was your first hand you actually played we really need you to give us more info because you have it).

Here is what I am looking at right now you raised big, got called hit top pair with a second pair to go with it with decent kicker. Without knowing how this guy has played his previous hands what was shown and what he plays and wins with its very hard to give any kind of read.

One way to look at it could be that when you raised the blinds are acting late in the turn pre-flop. Your raise itself was big but not all that big in comparison to what this guys chip count may have been. (you said T1000 going with he won at least two pots by your post he could have some where in the neighborhood of about 1300 in chips????? he has ten out there with a decent cushion against a drawing hand I wouldn't put it past him to be holding a small pocket pair like 4's or even 8's )

There is so much information we are not getting from you though did he call quickly ??? is that how he calls??? did he have to look at you ????? Has he been caught bluffing yet???? There is alot of info there we are not getting, could you let us know how this turned out.

Without hearing all avaiable information I would guess that you are beat and he is holding a set or something larger.

[FreckleDaddy]

Yeah in this situation I might "pretend" to think about calling, maybe even ask him to count down the rest of his chips and try to pick something up. But unless he gives something major away, which I probably wouldn't notice, I fold. I do this just to see how comfortable they seem and to put the screws to them if they actually have a week hand. Maybe they'll think twice about doing this to you later if you made them feel really uncomfortable this time. But yeah I fold here like 99% of the time. Save your chips for when you're in a more favourable situation.

Originally Posted by Colquhoun

First of all, I don't like trying to steal this early, the amount of the blind is just not worth with three still to act. That said, you are probably behind when he re-raises. I would get away from this asap.

I'd just like to echo Colquhoun's post. I really don't see any positives of trying to steal the blinds this early in game. I mean you're sitting with 900-1000 chips trying to pick up 30? I'd fold and keep your tight table image for when the blinds are bigger. As well, with K8s you can't really expect to be called with a lesser hand seeing how this is the first pot you've entered. You could easily be dominated, up against a weak ace, or even a hand like QJ. (which you aren't too far ahead anyways) Not criticizing your play, just throwing in my opinion.

Fd

[k_woods]

I agree with Jojo,

First you admit the bet was a steal atempt.
Second you did not make your top pair.
Third all the odds that Jojo quoted.

So the only way you can call is if you think it is a flush draw of a straight bluff.
And there are so many ways it could not be a bluff.
Also remember there are still two more betting rounds, and the odds say it can only get worse. Cut your losses and fold.

I would not even put on a show and fold. Let the player think he can push you around and wait till you have a hand to call him.

It works for me more times than I count. 1.. 2 6... oops..

Ken