Hot Stamping small amounts of Paulsons?

[wartdog]

i saw joe at PGI closed his hotstamp thread and was wondering if anyone is doing small amounts of H/S on some old paulson solids...i have spoke with a few members here before but havent seen or heard anymore interest...post if you have a thought....too shallow to label, dont have to be perfect, restamp would work fine, its a beer drinkin set..!!! maybe about 60-75 chips, maybe 100.

[meatboy]

it's working

[wartdog]

Originally Posted by meatboy

it's working

what Joes?..last thing i heard he was having an issue with too much pressure, crackin chips? maybe i will give him a shout or joe if your reading, whats up?

[palmimports]

Originally Posted by wartdog

what Joes?..last thing i heard he was having an issue with too much pressure, crackin chips? maybe i will give him a shout or joe if your reading, whats up?

weve been doing it- its just too time consuming trying to follow the thread-
all ya need to do is email us- tell us what ya need and we'll send you an invoice

youde need to provide us a die or have one made-
all the casino clays can be stamped- the china clays cant- they break in a million pieces unfortunately

[cgraham86]

Originally Posted by wartdog

i saw joe at PGI closed his hotstamp thread and was wondering if anyone is doing small amounts of H/S on some old paulson solids...i have spoke with a few members here before but havent seen or heard anymore interest...post if you have a thought....too shallow to label, dont have to be perfect, restamp would work fine, its a beer drinkin set..!!! maybe about 60-75 chips, maybe 100.

I know you and I have talked about this before, and I'll highlight the points again. Things that really make stamping chips like this difficult are the following (stamping by hand):

1. The material has aged and the surface of the chips tend to be harder. It makes modifying the surface of the chip to put foil into it harder to do and can cause under/over stamping, cracking and breaking. You need more heat and pressure. You can get incomplete stamps.

2. Restamps generally don't work because the new stamp has to go as deep or deeper than the previous stamp. Otherwise the old stamp (even though removed) will peek through and cause an incomplete stamp. If the old stamp is large then that causes a lot of problems. This is also compounded because the original stamp makes the surface of the chip harder as well.

3. Contaminates. Older chips have been handled a LOT. Oil, dirt, and other issues with the chips means cleaning them thoroughly before you try to stamp them. Otherwise the foil won't adhere.

4. Number of chips. I've had a few members asking me to stamp a handful of older chips - 15-30 or so. Not only does this leave ZERO room for mistakes, but because one set of old chips vary widely they can be very different and take a couple of chips to get the right combination of heat and pressure. 1/3 or 1/10 of the chips could have serious problems...

I've tried this a few times with not very good results. However, this is just my experience - there may be ways to do with a better setup or possibly more prep work and be successful with it.

[palmimports]

Originally Posted by cgraham86

I know you and I have talked about this before, and I'll highlight the points again. Things that really make stamping chips like this difficult are the following (stamping by hand):

1. The material has aged and the surface of the chips tend to be harder. It makes modifying the surface of the chip to put foil into it harder to do and can cause under/over stamping, cracking and breaking. You need more heat and pressure. You can get incomplete stamps.

2. Restamps generally don't work because the new stamp has to go as deep or deeper than the previous stamp. Otherwise the old stamp (even though removed) will peek through and cause an incomplete stamp. If the old stamp is large then that causes a lot of problems. This is also compounded because the original stamp makes the surface of the chip harder as well.

3. Contaminates. Older chips have been handled a LOT. Oil, dirt, and other issues with the chips means cleaning them thoroughly before you try to stamp them. Otherwise the foil won't adhere.

4. Number of chips. I've had a few members asking me to stamp a handful of older chips - 15-30 or so. Not only does this leave ZERO room for mistakes, but because one set of old chips vary widely they can be very different and take a couple of chips to get the right combination of heat and pressure. 1/3 or 1/10 of the chips could have serious problems...

I've tried this a few times with not very good results. However, this is just my experience - there may be ways to do with a better setup or possibly more prep work and be successful with it.

Exactly what he said
to do stamp 75 chips for someone- may be not be cost effective
plan on wasting 5 chips min for setup
better off using a NO lamination vinyl label IMO

[cgraham86]

Originally Posted by palmimports

Exactly what he said
to do stamp 75 chips for someone- may be not be cost effective
plan on wasting 5 chips min for setup
better off using a NO lamination vinyl label IMO

Agreed. The recess shouldn't be THAT shallow. Non-laminated vinyl (2mil?) should work.

[palmimports]

Originally Posted by cgraham86

Agreed. The recess shouldn't be THAT shallow. Non-laminated vinyl (2mil?) should work.

WAY back- we bought an end mill drill- 1 inch diameter I think- maybe 7/8 inch I cant find the bit now-- the bottom of the drill is a one inch circle and FLAT-unlike a normal drill which has a point to it- and we put it in a drill press- set the depth on the press- and machined the center of a clay chip perfectly flat.
it was smooth- and looked almost factory
ran the drill press a tthe highest speed we could-
to me this is worth the investment for those wishing to remove a hotstamp and making the chip perfectly usable for labels
my opinion

[cgraham86]

It's possible:

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/poker-...led-chips.html

[wartdog]

the 2ml non laminate labels dont work well for very worn chips in my opinion, they look great but if you use them often they wear quickly ,which is understandble (not knocking your labels joe..the fitz reno ones you did for me??) for this set i thought an overstamp would work maybe, i was thinking these chips are worn enough to take the stamp with some distortion (pic) but yeah you may waste a few just in set up with cracking from age....keep in mind i am not tryin to make a perfect set, i am tryin to put together a useful set to give away for use...im not going to do the razor blade scraping thing, i think that leaves a terrible surface, but maybe it works for labels.....the mill bit would work and i think this winter i may try to come up with a simple but effective setup that will work to smooth the surface, .....with all the worn paulsons out there with either crappy initials or cancelled starbursts, someone needs to come up with a good idea, i have alot of paulsons sitting around that should be put to good use if you can get them sort of "retro-fitted"...anyway thanks for the follow up comments cory and jim, im gonna keep tryin to come up with a solution....(side note: i just grabbed a rack of the cancelled fitzgerald reno 25c chips that look like they have never been used, if you can get the foil off the cancel but leave the original hs alone, you probably could make a fortune, thats the next project..lol..no i know that would be near impossible, first i just need to get rid of the stale cigarette smell off them )...thanks