[weak]

so i'm sure you'll give me a refund if my chips don't arrive since i asked for insurance, won't you?

[ontheuptick]

Originally Posted by micdm1971

Yes You Can Check With Your Friend And Tell The Truth Also Blankity Blank He Is In California You Know His Chip Talk Name Tell Everyone Here So They Can Ask Him If He Received His Chips...also I Sent Him More Chips Than Yours Had In A Flat Rate Envelope And He Had No Problem He Had No Insurance Also... I Sent Him 800.00 In Chips From Mgm.. Quarters ,one's, Five's And Twenty Five Dollar Chips Included.. I Am Sorry To Have To Put Another Member's Name Out There But I Am Sick Of The Lies... Oh Sorry You Don't Wanna Tell Both Sides Of The Story Then Other Chip Talk Members Can Make A Judgement Based On All The Facts???? Your Package Was Delivered And I Have The Weight And Scans Of What I Sent To You To Prove It...if The Postal Employees Took What They Needed It's Not My Fault..make A Police Report And File A Report Thru Your Post Office I Have The Receipt,but Don't Just Give One Side Of The Story...people Deserve The Truth Not Just What You Think Happened..the Truth The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth..insurance Is Always Offered But No One Ever Wants To Pay Until There Is A Problem Then All Of A Sudden You Were Never Offered...why Lie??? Start Telling The Truth People Will Respect You More In The Long Run If You Reputation Is Important To You..i Have Been On Ebay 10 Years So I Value Mine...you Will Get Nothing Thru Paypal So For Your Own Good Pursue Other Avenues...i Would Start With The Police?? Just Remember A False Police Report Is A Crime.................

I have no idea who you are replying to. But I will say this again:

There are at least 5 people who have had the same issue with you. The issue is this:

1. We paid you for chips, that is verified
2. You "said" you sent chips. NONE of the chips have arrived, and they are several weeks late.
3. You can't provide proof that you shipped the chips.

Is that not cut and dry? If you don't provide proof of shipment, I (and at least a few others) will be filing a mail fraud claim with your post office in Roseville Michigan.

[Couga]

Micdm. I really feel bad for you. You are getting a lot of heat for something that not many of us know much about. However this is my understanding if everyone is telling the truth. People bought chips from you on several different dates in a given period of time. You shipped the chips with no insurance and no tracking. The chips never arrived except for one member that has yet to step up and say that the transaction went smoothly.

I know it is hard to keep cool when being attacked by a bunch of people. The best thing you can do at this point is either post scans or send an email to someone that knows how to post scans and pictures which contains at least your reciept from the Post Office for each of the transactions that are in question. If memory serves correctly the receipt should have the destination zip code and the weight of the package. This will at least prove that you went to the post office and sent something out.

Now here is the part that you probably won't like. Even if you prove that the chips were sent they may not show up. If that is the case it is best not to take a "Sucks to be you" stance and instead work with the people that bought chips from you to see what happened. That means going to the postmaster general and saying "I sent packages AB and C on these dates. None of them reached their final destination. What is going on here?" If all the chips really were stolen in the USPS system it would have to be one employee that knew what was in the packages and that the packages were comming from you (easy enough with the return address). Seeing as the packages went out across the country, that means it would have to be a postal worker located in your hometown. I would check with the casino's to see if anyone has turned in full racks of quarters. If all you footwork doesn't pay off with recovery of the chips (or at least some series of events that leads to a conclusion that was beyond your control) you still will need to do something to correct the situation. I would suggest either: A) Get the buyers to pay face value for the chips and replace all the chips. I bet most would take you up on that (this way you are not out any money and the buyers get their chips). Then when you send them packed neatly inside a box with insurance and tracking. Or B) Given that you are telling the truth and offered insurance, offer to split the losses with the buyers. That means you refund half of their money. But with your reputation at stake you need to do something.

I really do feel for you as it is a crappy situation but you can't just do nothing.

Respectfully,
Couga

[eastwik]

Originally Posted by Couga

Micdm. I really feel bad for you. You are getting a lot of heat for something that not many of us know much about. However this is my understanding if everyone is telling the truth. People bought chips from you on several different dates in a given period of time. You shipped the chips with no insurance and no tracking. The chips never arrived except for one member that has yet to step up and say that the transaction went smoothly.

I know it is hard to keep cool when being attacked by a bunch of people. The best thing you can do at this point is either post scans or send an email to someone that knows how to post scans and pictures which contains at least your reciept from the Post Office for each of the transactions that are in question. If memory serves correctly the receipt should have the destination zip code and the weight of the package. This will at least prove that you went to the post office and sent something out.

Now here is the part that you probably won't like. Even if you prove that the chips were sent they may not show up. If that is the case it is best not to take a "Sucks to be you" stance and instead work with the people that bought chips from you to see what happened. That means going to the postmaster general and saying "I sent packages AB and C on these dates. None of them reached their final destination. What is going on here?" If all the chips really were stolen in the USPS system it would have to be one employee that knew what was in the packages and that the packages were comming from you (easy enough with the return address). Seeing as the packages went out across the country, that means it would have to be a postal worker located in your hometown. I would check with the casino's to see if anyone has turned in full racks of quarters. If all you footwork doesn't pay off with recovery of the chips (or at least some series of events that leads to a conclusion that was beyond your control) you still will need to do something to correct the situation. I would suggest either: A) Get the buyers to pay face value for the chips and replace all the chips. I bet most would take you up on that (this way you are not out any money and the buyers get their chips). Then when you send them packed neatly inside a box with insurance and tracking. Or B) Given that you are telling the truth and offered insurance, offer to split the losses with the buyers. That means you refund half of their money. But with your reputation at stake you need to do something.

I really do feel for you as it is a crappy situation but you can't just do nothing.

Respectfully,
Couga

Very well put Couga. I agree with you 110%.

[ontheuptick]

I agree Couga - looking from the outside, you can feel bad for him.

But no one will feel bad for him when none of us that he owes chips, and can't produce shipping proof, ever receive our chips.

And about him being a good businessman, that flew out the window a long time ago. He has no desire to save his name or reputation, that's obvious. He only wants to try to rip people off and get away with it.



On a side note - big shocker - Mike's been online again this afternoon and hasn't posted proof that he shipped all of our items. Why am I not surprised.

[JM]

A couple of problems with this Couga and I'm assuming the people who didn't get their chips are telling the truth here (there are 5 of them, so its not coincidence or a 1 off):

1- Why should the buyers be out anything here? He's saying he paid face value for these chips and the buyers paid at LEAST 4x face, I'm sure it was much more than that. So he can replace them himself and still make 2x face in PROFIT and everyone would be happy. There's no reason the buyers who never got their chips should have to re-pay for anything.

2 - Why would a postal employee risk their career AND a criminal record and perhaps even PRISON to cash in $30 worth of quarter chips?? This makes no sense. Even cashing in $250 worth (1000 chips) makes no sense.

3 - If he really is a stand up honest guy and did send the items these people purchased, why would he tell them to go screw when they tell him they didn't get what they bought instead of trying to help rectify the situation?

Originally Posted by ontheuptick

His response:

"you will get nothing from me so pursue any means you have to..good night"

Also, you suggested outing him in the other thread and now you're defending him?!?

[ontheuptick]

Originally Posted by JM

A couple of problems with this Couga and I'm assuming the people who didn't get their chips are telling the truth here (there are 5 of them, so its not coincidence or a 1 off):

1- Why should the buyers be out anything here? He's saying he paid face value for these chips and the buyers paid at LEAST 4x face, I'm sure it was much more than that. So he can replace them himself and still make 2x face in PROFIT and everyone would be happy. There's no reason the buyers who never got their chips should have to re-pay for anything.

2 - Why would a postal employee risk their career AND a criminal record and perhaps even PRISON to cash in $30 worth of quarter chips?? This makes no sense. Even cashing in $250 worth (1000 chips) makes no sense.

3 - If he really is a stand up honest guy and did send the items these people purchased, why would he tell them to go screw when they tell him they didn't get what they bought instead of trying to help rectify the situation?


Also, you suggested outing him in the other thread and now you're defending him?!?

I know you've been using conservative estimates on price. I think we all basically paid $2 per chip, approximately. I paid $210 for 120 chips, so a little less than $2 per.

All great points above, JM.

[JM]

Originally Posted by ontheuptick

I know you've been using conservative estimates on price. I think we all basically paid $2 per chip, approximately. I paid $210 for 120 chips, so a little less than $2 per.

All great points above, JM.

Yeah I didn't want to overestimate, but I knew it was more than a buck a chip. Even at that low price the idea of having you guys pay any more is silly. He's swimming in profit.

[cdnmoose]

Originally Posted by JM

2 - Why would a postal employee risk their career AND a criminal record and perhaps even PRISON to cash in $30 worth of quarter chips?? This makes no sense. Even cashing in $250 worth (1000 chips) makes no sense.

You would think that, but obviously theft is so rampant that the posties have no fear of being caught. I sent a chip to a CT'r that was clearly marked, One poker chip - $1. It arrived empty with a neat razor cut in the end just big enough to slide out the chip.

[JM]

Originally Posted by cdnmoose

You would think that, but obviously theft is so rampant that the posties have no fear of being caught. I sent a chip to a CT'r that was clearly marked, One poker chip - $1. It arrived empty with a neat razor cut in the end just big enough to slide out the chip.

That could have been customs too. I think they are even worse. But my point is, this guy would have to work in that local post office if the scenario was as presented. He recognizes the sender's address, knows he ships chips and steals 5 packages of them as they enter the system within a pretty short timeframe. Big risk for little reward, and pretty unlikely set of circumstances too. Why not go for the envelopes with cash in them? Sure is easier to carry.