[w16227]

Originally Posted by micdm1971

I GUESS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOU WILL NEED A POLICE REPORT BEFORE PAYPAL WILL REFUND YOU ANYTHING...THATS THE PROCESS..DO YOU THINK THEY ARE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A CHECK FOR 400.00?? THIS IS EASIER 2 WORK BETWEEN US FOR YOUR SAKE NOT MINE...I HAVE THE MONEY ALREADY I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU?? IS THE SUN THAT HOT THERE??? LOL

lol - I am sure that is fine by whomever you have been dealing with.

Once enough police reports get filed against you - what do you think will happen?

[w16227]

Originally Posted by micdm1971

DOESNT YOUR PAYPAL TRANSACTION SHOW YOU PROOF THAT I MAILED?? I PRINTED A SHIPPING LABEL THE POST OFFICE ACCEPTED IT WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??? YOU ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD??? EVER HEARD OF CUSTOM DELAYS???

um - no it does not

Paypal is not a shipper.

Neither does the standard post office receipt - even IF it has the weight and zipcode on it. All that proves is that you sent something - but not necessairly the item(s) in question.

For a shipper to have PROOF (talking court of law proof here binky) - you need the kind of traceability that you get from the standard UPS/Fedex type of tracking.

As far as businesses go - you really need to do your homework on the legalities of transactions - even barter transactions. Lots of sellers on EBAY get this wrong - and it is spelled out very clearly in their T&C. Plainly put - you have entered into an agreement to provide goods for money. This agreement is binding. The agreement is not complete until the ownership of the goods is transferred to the buyer. In layman terms - this is called POSESSION - or they need to have RECEIVED the goods in question.

Saying something shipped means squat. Insurance/delivery confirmation/tracking are there to protect SELLERS rights- not the buyers.

If DELL ships out a truckfull of computers - and they are al destroyed by an accident - are the customers out of luck? NOPE. What if Dell forgot to get that insured shipping? NOPE - Dell is still on the hook. The goods are not in the poession of the buyer yet so ownership transfer has not taken place.

[tim722]

Every time I read more posts in this thread it gets me more steamed up.

micdm1971, it's time to stand up and be a real man, and stop hiding behind all this legal BS that you think you know. Clearly, you don't know jack about the way this is supposed to work. Just admit it, admit you're wrong, and stop all the nonsense. NOONE here is buying it. The longer you try to "get away" with whatever you think you're getting away with, the worse it will become for you.

A real man would admit he's wrong in this situation, and take the consequences. Doesn't seem like that matters to you. You continue to point fingers at everyone else, while taking no responsibility for your part. What a piece of trash. Man up! Make good on these sales, and move on down the road. Your ebay rating doesn't mean jack here either. Stop bragging about your ebay transactions. No one cares! All they care about is they paid for stuff and haven't gotten it. You haven't done anything except take their money. I'm sure you'll see this, but I also know you don't have the guts to respond. Make this right for the people that you've mislead, lied to and stolen from. What a low-grade moron you must be to continue to think it's in your best interest to continue on this path. Hopefully by now enough people have been warned so that you'll never sell another poker chip for the rest of time.

I know that won't happen, but I can dream. A very wise person said this to me once: Crooked men and crooked rivers are alike. They both follow the path of least resistance. What kind of man are you?

[SuckoutKing]

His isn't even a man. He is a W0-MAN!

[David P]

Looks like his prices have taken a "hit". When I emailed him (before this all took place) he wanted $150.00 for 100 of these. This auction just ended at 70.99....I hope the buyer gets insurance........

(100) 25 CENT CASINO POKER CHIPS MOTOR CITY DETROIT - eBay (item 180252233516 end time Jun-16-08 16:09:04 PDT)

[ontheuptick]

Originally Posted by David P

Looks like his prices have taken a "hit". When I emailed him (before this all took place) he wanted $150.00 for 100 of these. This auction just ended at 70.99....I hope the buyer gets insurance........

(100) 25 CENT CASINO POKER CHIPS MOTOR CITY DETROIT - eBay (item 180252233516 end time Jun-16-08 16:09:04 PDT)

Good bump, and good info.

I'm glad people aren't buying from him. Thanks everyone. I think you are protecting yourself, and you're hurting the person who's shafted many Chiptalkers.

Keep up the good work chiptalk.

[Shed]

Originally Posted by David P

Looks like his prices have taken a "hit". When I emailed him (before this all took place) he wanted $150.00 for 100 of these. This auction just ended at 70.99....I hope the buyer gets insurance........
(100) 25 CENT CASINO POKER CHIPS MOTOR CITY DETROIT - eBay (item 180252233516 end time Jun-16-08 16:09:04 PDT)

Whoa I won this auction and I hadn't seen this thread. Ok this all makes sense now.

Prior to the auction finalizing I sent this seller some emails regarding the shipping of the chips. I requested they ship them via FedEx using my account number instead of via USPS - seller's response, not a problem they would charge me $6 and ship them with my account. I didn't mind paying the $6 due to the following point. In one of the email replies from the seller they mentioned the chips would be shipped in an envelope - I emailed back and requested they be shipped in a box with the chips bubble-wrapped at a minimum. Everything went smoothly and I ended up winning the auction. Upon winning I did one of those request a payment amount since the stated shipping charges was not accurate from our email correspondence. I received the amounts we agreed upon and I paid via PayPal. Within this payment I supplied the FedEx account, asked they be shipped via the Express Saver service with the options signature required and insurance selected. I also said if this was an issue I would be happy to arrange the pickup if they supplied an address and a pickup time. I also sent this information via eBay so there was no misunderstanding and asked the seller to repond that they understood. Well yesterday afternoon I get a response from this seller - listed as a Betty (hidding behind mom's name?) that they had refunded my money because "I put 2 many rules for this transaction." Too many rules? The seller agreed to my requests (I have all correspondence that was done via eBay My Messages). They also said "i have been on ebay for many years you have been on ebay for only days,so i have to protect myself". After reading this thread this comment is just hysterical.

I contacted eBay Live Help last night and they suggested I file a Seller Non-Performance report with their SafeHarbor department which I did. All of this before reading this thread today. My guess before I read this was that the seller didn't like the amount the chips sold for and is using my requests as their reason to get out of the transaction. As I pointed out to eBay I don't know how a seller is allowed to post an auction and then without correspondence with the winner cancel/refund the money. Surely eBay has rules regarding this or I would think this sort of practice would be rampant throughout the site.

Silly, silly uni-quely-mine (aka highway-to-junk) you should have completed the business transaction and I possibly would never have seen this thread. Now this link maybe interesting reading for the eBay complaint department.

Edit: BTW can eBay sellers just decide on a whim that they can cancel an auction transaction with no correspondence with the buyer?

[PhilLaFond]

And so it continues....

Thanks for this great post and updated info. Just FYI, this dbag has another auction for 200 MGM quarters just listed on eBay.

P.

[palmimports]

Originally Posted by JM

He uses the flat rate envelopes because he's a cheapskate, even though he's selling these things at MANY TIMES their face value! Wouldn't want another couple of bucks for a box to eat into that slim profit margin of ~$150 per rack after all!

This is why i just LOVE Chiptalk- ya get tired of one aggravating thread- there's ALWAYS another- how could I have missed this one- good reading!!

[Sea Vulture]

To add to this thread, I filed a Pay Pal and here are the results:


After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below.
We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.
Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.

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Transaction Details
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Seller's Name: michael McDonnell
Seller's Email: micdm197@yahoo.com
Seller's Transaction ID: 4B4628598G035703W
Transaction Date: May 5, 2008
Transaction Amount: -$180.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: XXXXXX
Case Number: XXXXXX
Buyer's Transaction ID: XXXXXXX

Basically, I won the dispute and Paypal is attempting to collect the funds. If he doesn't pay, he gets shut down on Paypal, per the customer relations rep I spoke to at length.

Without getting into specifics, something tells me hasn't been involved in a civil suit before. I wonder how he would respond to discovery questions? Perjury really pisses off a judge. At $300/hr for an attorney, he may want to resolve the outstanding issues. A class action suit can't be fun.

As a reminder to anyone who feels they have been burned, FILE A COMPLAINT!!!! Paypal WILL take action, so will Ebay.