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Old 11-13-2007, 12:11 AM
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Not sure if anyone is interested but i checked the Paulson chip samples that i have recently received,(World,Pharoah,Nationals) and they all contained detectable lead.
I read some threads where people said if that bothers you "then don't buy them!". That's all well and good if you don't have little ones that like to get into everything. If you do, you're probably better off staying away from them.


I also did a lead test on Inplay and Protege samples from Sidepot.com and none of them had any lead detected. I am going to receive the new Paulson Noir Sample set this week from Sidepot and will test these as well.
Will post the results ASAP.
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:25 AM
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Can you please give us percentages?
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:40 AM
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Re: Paulson chips

I suspect that brand new chips would test higher, because of the manufacturing dust. Oiled or well-used chips might be better. But this is just my guess, I haven't done any testing myself (and don't plan to).

But I don't think this is going to go away neatly. Paulson/GPI has a PR debacle on simmer right now, we'll see what happens. If they try to explain it away with science, they could misunderestimate (!) the emotion/fear involved. Their customers in the US are public companies and could be subjected to PR pressure disproportionate to the reality of the science. Good headlines usually trump facts.

Lead is a funny compound, as I understand the science. Inhaled is bad for anybody, and ingested (eaten) is especially bad for young children in brain development stage. But the amounts and frequency of inhalation/ingestion need to be moderate (more than a trace or multiple exposures) to start worrying.

So don't lick your fingers after playing with new chips, and don't do it multiple times.
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Re: Paulson chips

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for percentages. If the OP is using a home-test-kit like I suspect, it will only indicate lead is present above a certain threshhold. To get an actual weight/volume %, you have to have the chips sent off to a lab for some quantitative analysis, which is what that reporter in Arizona allegedly did. (His 45% for the one chip seems ridiculous...)

We could just ask Paulson how much lead is in each denomination of each of their chips, right? They'd surely tell us, right?

With the recent "there's lead in your child's toys" scare, the timing of "there's lead in all these poker chips" is particularly awful for GPI. It will be interesting to see how many casino chips get destroyed (could be none, could be lots), and in what manner they are disposed of. Chipco's gotta be loving this.
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So don't lick your fingers after playing with new chips, and don't do it multiple times.
Was lead paint banned because there were too many people licking the walls?

Considering the many alternatives to lead dust that exist for manufacturers, this is just careless, selfish and lazy on Paulson's part. They used lead because it was cheaper. Not because it created a superior product, but because it would raise their profit margins.

It boggles my mind the response that people on here have. I don't want to be alarmist and jump to conclusions before all the facts are out, but I think the article raises valid points. I can't imagine any other industry getting support for cutting corners at the expense of their consumer's safety.

It certainly seems to me that a lot of collectors with large investments in certain chipsets are worried about their assets losing value over this. I don't care if my poker chips each had LCD displays on them, I shouldn't have to worry about lead poisoning. We don't tolerate it in any other consumer product, why are poker chips any different?
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Your VINEYARDS and PNYs are TAINTED
with lead!


As a public service, I will perform a lead abatement procedure and remove the dangerous items from you home. As a valued member of the CT community you are entitled to a .10 per piece renumeration...contact me ASAP to arrange your lead abatement procedure!
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Your VINEYARDS and PNYs are TAINTED
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As a public service, I will perform a lead abatement procedure and remove the dangerous items from you home. As a valued member of the CT community you are entitled to a .10 per piece renumeration...contact me ASAP to arrange your lead abatement procedure!
This joke just gets funnier the more people post it.
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Re: Paulson chips

On a related subject....

CPSC Staff Study: Home Lead Test Kits Unreliable

Mostly for false negatives.
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Why the F do people care?

This whole lead topic on chiptalk is starting to honk me off.
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Re: Paulson chips

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Was lead paint banned because there were too many people licking the walls?
Lead paint was not produced after 1978, because it was found that children would eat paint chips off the walls. It's not only on the walls...it was more evident on windows. People would paint their windows (which were made of wood) and over time of opening and closing the windows paint dust would occur on the sill. Children could play on the sill, run their toys through the dust, etc...then injest that lead dust. It causes difficulties in young children. There is still lead paint in many houses. It is not against the law to have lead paint. It should just be known that houses that were built *before* 1978 has the option that lead paint might be evident within the house.

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Considering the many alternatives to lead dust that exist for manufacturers, this is just careless, selfish and lazy on Paulson's part. They used lead because it was cheaper. Not because it created a superior product, but because it would raise their profit margins.

It boggles my mind the response that people on here have. I don't want to be alarmist and jump to conclusions before all the facts are out, but I think the article raises valid points. I can't imagine any other industry getting support for cutting corners at the expense of their consumer's safety.

It certainly seems to me that a lot of collectors with large investments in certain chipsets are worried about their assets losing value over this. I don't care if my poker chips each had LCD displays on them, I shouldn't have to worry about lead poisoning. We don't tolerate it in any other consumer product, why are poker chips any different?
The formula that Paulson has been using is 82 years old. It's not something that they "invented" last year. It's always been known that lead dust was used in the chips to give them weight. No one has complained for 81 of the 82 years.

If there should be real tests done...it should be on the gamblers. Find out how many full-time gamblers have lead poisoning. If none of them do, then let's not worry about it.

Plus...unless you're grinding your chips up and putting them on your salads, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

The sky is exactly where it's been, Chicken Little.

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