[Mofo]

This post is just my personal opinion about the chip market and how I see it... anyway, I'm sure people will get pissed off, but this is my view on things and I'm not going to tiptoe around this subject just to be nice, so I welcome all haters...

Just to be clear, I aint knocking the fantasy chips and all the group buys at all. They're nice and very affordable which makes them great for weekly poker games, just to play with, or just because you like them.

My issue is with the people in this community who don't distinguish the value between "fantasy" chips, which can be obtained easily, and real casino chips that are "limited". I can't understand how there are people here who over-value or compare the prices of fantasy chips to real casino chips or any other chips which may have "collector value". I've seen so many and come across those who act like its a crime for chips to be sold at a profit. When you sell your chips, should it matter how much you paid for them??? I think not. If you made a good find, why not make $$$ from it. Of course its a different story if a seller is misrepresenting what he's selling or just plain trying to rip someone off.

Isn't it good for those in the chip community for the prices to be going up for the stuff with "collector value"??? I mean who wants something that everyone else can get for cheap and is readily available at anytime. When you make a good find, don't you want it to be worth a lot.

I know there are a lot of frustrated people out there who have the feel the same. Part of this forum's purpose is to help educate those who are new to collecting and I just think that there are some members who are ignorant and are very vocal that are hurting this hobby.I've noticed that there aren't as much "nice" and "rare" stuff out there as much as there used to be because the sellers know that they won't get full value and appreciation for their stuff.

I'm not saying what anything is worth or should be worth because what people pay is what dictates prices, I'm just saying I see a lot of people being mis-informed by people who are ignorant. Know the difference and value it as such. This is just how I see things. And if you don't agree, then F**k You, You, and You... hahaha...

Bring it on haters... buhahaha!!!

[Nanook]

Originally Posted by Mofo

This post is just my personal opinion about the chip market and how I see it... anyway, I'm sure people will get pissed off, but this is my view on things and I'm not going to tiptoe around this subject just to be nice, so I welcome all haters...

Just to be clear, I aint knocking the fantasy chips and all the group buys at all. They're nice and very affordable which makes them great for weekly poker games, just to play with, or just because you like them.

My issue is with the people in this community who don't distinguish the value between "fantasy" chips, which can be obtained easily, and real casino chips that are "limited". I can't understand how there are people here who over-value or compare the prices of fantasy chips to real casino chips or any other chips which may have "collector value". I've seen so many and come across those who act like its a crime for chips to be sold at a profit. When you sell your chips, should it matter how much you paid for them??? I think not. If you made a good find, why not make $$$ from it. Of course its a different story if a seller is misrepresenting what he's selling or just plain trying to rip someone off.

Isn't it good for those in the chip community for the prices to be going up for the stuff with "collector value"??? I mean who wants something that everyone else can get for cheap and is readily available at anytime. When you make a good find, don't you want it to be worth a lot.

I know there are a lot of frustrated people out there who have the feel the same. Part of this forum's purpose is to help educate those who are new to collecting and I just think that there are some members who are ignorant and are very vocal that are hurting this hobby.I've noticed that there aren't as much "nice" and "rare" stuff out there as much as there used to be because the sellers know that they won't get full value and appreciation for their stuff.

I'm not saying what anything is worth or should be worth because what people pay is what dictates prices, I'm just saying I see a lot of people being mis-informed by people who are ignorant. Know the difference and value it as such. This is just how I see things. And if you don't agree, then F**k You, You, and You... hahaha...

Bring it on haters... buhahaha!!!

I happen to agree with everything you said.

AB

[Wylecoyo]

Originally Posted by Mofo

if you don't agree, then F**k You, You, and You... hahaha...

You are completely entitled to your opinion, but what is the point of being insulting and rude in your post?

[Mofo]

Originally Posted by Wylecoyo

You are completely entitled to your opinion, but what is the point of being insulting and rude in your post?

IT'S A JOKE!!!

[Wylecoyo]

Originally Posted by Mofo

IT'S A JOKE!!!

I apologize to you then, it didn't seem that way to me when I read it. I must be obtuse.

[CaptLego]

Originally Posted by Mofo

so I welcome all haters...

I don't see the need to be hostile or confrontational, and prefer not to be labeled a "hater" just because I respond to this...

You seem to be coming from a perspective of a chip collector. More than that, you seem to be concerned mostly with the value (and profit potential) of chips. That's fine with me, but I think there's room in the hobby for people with other priorities.

My issue is with the people in this community who don't distinguish the value between "fantasy" chips, which can be obtained easily, and real casino chips that are "limited". I can't understand how there are people here who over-value or compare the prices of fantasy chips to real casino chips or any other chips which may have "collector value".

If they're the chips on the table during your game, it doesn't really matter what they cost or what they're worth. They look and feel however they look and feel, irregardless of price or collector value.

Isn't it good for those in the chip community for the prices to be going up for the stuff with "collector value"???

Well, not really. It's good for collectors (at least, it's good for collectors who already own the chips), I guess. But for people who just want to buy some good chips for their home games, it seems, well, not so good.

I mean who wants something that everyone else can get for cheap and is readily available at anytime.

I do, if they're the chips I want to use for playing poker. Why should I pay more than I have to for a given quality of chip? I also like to be able to buy more chips to add to the set whenever I want.

When you make a good find, don't you want it to be worth a lot.

I guess I don't care what it's worth, unless I plan to sell them and need to make a profit on the transaction.

Part of this forum's purpose is to help educate those who are new to collecting ....

Fair enough. I'm just trying to say that not everybody who cares about poker chips is a mercenary collector.

[Mofo]

Originally Posted by CaptLego

I don't see the need to be hostile or confrontational, and prefer not to be labeled a "hater" just because I respond to this...

IT'S A JOKE!!!

Originally Posted by CaptLego

You seem to be coming from a perspective of a chip collector. More than that, you seem to be concerned mostly with the value (and profit potential) of chips. That's fine with me, but I think there's room in the hobby for people with other priorities.

I think you need to go back and read my original post again.

Originally Posted by CaptLego

If they're the chips on the table during your game, it doesn't really matter what they cost or what they're worth. They look and feel however they look and feel, irregardless of price or collector value.

I think you need to go back and read my original post again.

Originally Posted by CaptLego

Well, not really. It's good for collectors (at least, it's good for collectors who already own the chips), I guess. But for people who just want to buy some good chips for their home games, it seems, well, not so good.

Everyones gotta start somewhere if you want to collect... and nothings free... and I think you need to go back and read my original post again.

Originally Posted by CaptLego

I do, if they're the chips I want to use for playing poker. Why should I pay more than I have to for a given quality of chip? I also like to be able to buy more chips to add to the set whenever I want.

Nevermind...


[QOUTE=CaptLego]I guess I don't care what it's worth, unless I plan to sell them and need to make a profit on the transaction.[/quote]

No one NEEDS to make a profit and that wasn't my point anyway... and I think you need to go back and read my original post again.

Originally Posted by CaptLego

Fair enough. I'm just trying to say that not everybody who cares about poker chips is a mercenary collector.

[dad604]

There quite a few points in having chips.

1. The most common is to have something to represend value ($$$) when playing any kind of games. For that purpose, any cheap chips such as official 11.5 g will do. I have nothing against the 11.5 g, it gets the job done for inexpensive price.

2. Some people like something more upscale for above purpose, that is where better chips start from labelled Nexgens all the way up to James Bond/Pharo clay. That is about where I am at.

3. Then there is the collector. Anything rare is worth something to somebody, some people will pay anything to have the only one of its kind. That does not just for chips but for most objects. I don't have any objection to someone making money (even lots of money) from that activity, just wish it was me.

[Mofo]

Originally Posted by dad604

There quite a few points in having chips.

1. The most common is to have something to represend value ($$$) when playing any kind of games. For that purpose, any cheap chips such as official 11.5 g will do. I have nothing against the 11.5 g, it gets the job done for inexpensive price.

2. Some people like something more upscale for above purpose, that is where better chips start from labelled Nexgens all the way up to James Bond/Pharo clay. That is about where I am at.

3. Then there is the collector. Anything rare is worth something to somebody, some people will pay anything to have the only one of its kind. That does not just for chips but for most objects. I don't have any objection to someone making money (even lots of money) from that activity, just wish it was me.

Yup, I concur...

[CaptLego]

Originally Posted by dad604

There quite a few points in having chips.

1. The most common is to have something to represend value ($$$) when playing any kind of games. For that purpose, any cheap chips such as official 11.5 g will do. I have nothing against the 11.5 g, it gets the job done for inexpensive price.

2. Some people like something more upscale for above purpose, that is where better chips start from labelled Nexgens all the way up to James Bond/Pharo clay. That is about where I am at.

3. Then there is the collector. Anything rare is worth something to somebody, some people will pay anything to have the only one of its kind. That does not just for chips but for most objects. I don't have any objection to someone making money (even lots of money) from that activity, just wish it was me.

To this list, I'd add a 4th:
4. The investor. This person has no particular interest in using (your categories 1 and 2) or even posessing (category 3) the item. They just want to make more money on it than they could by spending the same amount on stocks, for instance.

I recall a time (in the 70's? 80's?) when inflation was double-digit. Most investments had a negative return, since the interest and appreciation rates were lower than inflation. Investors discovered that "collectibles" were growing in value faster than inflation, and a lot of money moved.

For example, before that time, you could get a vintage Ferrari for a reasonable price, and have fun driving it. Some collectors also bought them, restored them, and enjoyed having them on display. Once the investors moved in, prices went sky-high and most people who really liked Ferraris couldn't afford one any more. (And those who could still afford them couldn't really afford to drive them around, since they were so valuable.)