[Matthew]

I thought I saw a thread on something similar a while ago, but can't find it. Over a long time (years), Paulson chips stored in their white boxes, stacked high, developed flat spots on the rolling edge where the rows formed a line contact with the row above and below them. Obviosuly this would affect the boxes on the bottom mor then the ones near the top.

As I understand the question, will stacking racks of St. Jo's chips on top of each other grow the crack that may be there from the hotstamping cancellation process?

My intial answer is no, the weight of the chips due to gravity is directly down, this will put the chips in compression. Clay chips are really a composite material with some clay, some plastic and some lead (Paulsons) much like concrete is a composite material. Composites like that can withstand a tremendous amount of compression but not much tension.

Think about the hotstamping process and the shape of the chip. The force is being applied on the large surface area of the chip against a relatively thin cross section. Yes the force is compressive to the stamping area but what happens to the outside diameter or the edge of the face. It wants to "squeeze out" of the fixture due to the pressure (force) of the hotstamping die, putting that edge in tension, and potentially causing cracks.

My thought is that the pressure or weight from racks of chips on top of each other will actually hold the cracks together, because now the compressive force is being applied on the thin cross section and not the large face area. I don't think there will be problems with crack propegation due to stacking racks.

The potential still exists for flat spots, but using the chips and rotating stock so to speak shout mitigate that problem. Additionally, you could invest in Chipco boxes with lids to have the case take the weight.

The biggest fear I have would have storing generic racks of Paulson's 5 high would be the instability and the potential to topple over. Paulson or Chipco racks are a little smaller for each row of twenty so the Paulson chips fit a little better in those and would be more stable.

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[abby99]

Originally Posted by Poker4eveR

The Pharaoh's are a lot harder than 1003's and you shouldn't have any trouble. You might check to see when the racks are in the carrier how much they can slide from one end to the other. Will the chips hit the rail inside the racks?

Everything seems to be OK. The end chips aren't any higher than the others, so the bottom of the upper rack rests evenly on all 20 chips in each row. There isn't anything on the upper rack that protrudes or intrudes on the chips underneath. I'm only stacking them three racks high because I can't lift more than 600 chips anyway. I can rest easy now. Thanks alot for the info!

[m_farrar84]

Originally Posted by Matthew

I thought I saw a thread on something similar a while ago, but can't find it. Over a long time (years), Paulson chips stored in their white boxes, stacked high, developed flat spots on the rolling edge where the rows formed a line contact with the row above and below them. Obviosuly this would affect the boxes on the bottom mor then the ones near the top.

As I understand the question, will stacking racks of St. Jo's chips on top of each other grow the crack that may be there from the hotstamping cancellation process?

My intial answer is no, the weight of the chips due to gravity is directly down, this will put the chips in compression. Clay chips are really a composite material with some clay, some plastic and some lead (Paulsons) much like concrete is a composite material. Composites like that can withstand a tremendous amount of compression but not much tension.

Think about the hotstamping process and the shape of the chip. The force is being applied on the large surface area of the chip against a relatively thin cross section. Yes the force is compressive to the stamping area but what happens to the outside diameter or the edge of the face. It wants to "squeeze out" of the fixture due to the pressure (force) of the hotstamping die, putting that edge in tension, and potentially causing cracks.

My thought is that the pressure or weight from racks of chips on top of each other will actually hold the cracks together, because now the compressive force is being applied on the thin cross section and not the large face area. I don't think there will be problems with crack propegation due to stacking racks.

The potential still exists for flat spots, but using the chips and rotating stock so to speak shout mitigate that problem. Additionally, you could invest in Chipco boxes with lids to have the case take the weight.

The biggest fear I have would have storing generic racks of Paulson's 5 high would be the instability and the potential to topple over. Paulson or Chipco racks are a little smaller for each row of twenty so the Paulson chips fit a little better in those and would be more stable.

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thanks for the info

[Nelzie]

So we've learned amoung other things that the Paulson and Chipco racks are better for the Paulson chips than the chinese racks because of the tighter fit, etc. Are these chip racks made for Paulson's just as good as the original Paulson or Paul-Son racks? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=120070685512

Also, I've heard that Chipco racks may give even a better fit for Paulson chips than the Paulson racks or these copies. Anybody have some lowdown on that?

Last night I was playing a 4-8 cash game at a local casino and the power went out. Quite exciting. They couldn't cash anybody out so we all had to take our chips home in chip racks. As the casino uses Chipco chips, I was able to confirm for myself that the Chipco racks fit my Grand Casino' s, St. Jo's and Cherries very very good, but I don't have any Paulson racks or copies to be able to compare the fit. The downside of taking the Chipco's home however is that I'm starting to really like the way they feel and sound...I think my next set of chips will be ceramics...

[Matthew]

Originally Posted by Nelzie

Also, I've heard that Chipco racks may give even a better fit for Paulson chips than the Paulson racks or these copies. Anybody have some lowdown on that?

I just picked up Chipco racks at the Chipco factory in Raymond, Maine.

I have a full rack of used Paulson Grand Casino Tournament solid hotstamps and a rack of used Paulson solids stamped Blue Mountain Casino. I could fit 21 chips in a row with the generic racks from 5star. The Chipco racks fit 20 used Paulsons per row with a little wiggle room from wear.

Other that the above 2 racks, chips I have in Chipco racks:

20 Paulson Le Cove chips $20 denom - fits like a glove
20 Paulson Black Lab chips - fits like a glove
20 Paulson from various casinos - various stages of wear - fits nicely
20 Chipco chips - fits like a glove
4 full racks of Faux Clay - much tighter fit than the generic racks, but similiar wiggle room to the slightly worn Paulsons
6 full racks of Nevada Jacks American Beauties - a little tighter than the Chipco chips, but still fit

Nexgen's will not fit in the Chipco Racks and are very, very, very tight in Chipco boxes (4x25 with lid)

I have 200 Private Cardroom Paulson's on the way and they are destined for Chipco Racks.

Hope this helps.

[Poker4eveR]

Originally Posted by Nelzie

So we've learned amoung other things that the Paulson and Chipco racks are better for the Paulson chips than the chinese racks because of the tighter fit, etc. Are these chip racks made for Paulson's just as good as the original Paulson or Paul-Son racks? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=120070685512

I had these Chinese racks some time ago, I think they did fit tight but the rows were inconsistant (I sent them back). Depending on the type of Paulson rack they are actually close, but the quality is crap IMO.

Also, I've heard that Chipco racks may give even a better fit for Paulson chips than the Paulson racks or these copies. Anybody have some lowdown on that?

False, the CI racks are not as good of a fit as the OEM Paulson racks. Unless the chips are warped too much. CI racks are the next best thing.

Last night I was playing a 4-8 cash game at a local casino and the power went out. Quite exciting. They couldn't cash anybody out so we all had to take our chips home in chip racks. As the casino uses Chipco chips, I was able to confirm for myself that the Chipco racks fit my Grand Casino' s, St. Jo's and Cherries very very good, but I don't have any Paulson racks or copies to be able to compare the fit. The downside of taking the Chipco's home however is that I'm starting to really like the way they feel and sound...I think my next set of chips will be ceramics...

Something else to take note of when putting chips in any rack. If the chips are warped then you might think the bigger rack fits really well. You could use a stack of 20 Bud Jones V7's as a bench mark. Flattest chip in the world. Some Paulson clays come close but not quit. Most clays have some warping compared to the a V7 but the racks have some tolerance. This is why CI racks work well if you can't find OEM Paulson racks. Only flaw with the CI rack is the center row tightens up in the middle and raises the chips up a tad.

You have good taste in chips, CI chips are the best ceramics IMO and most others think so too.

[Troutman]

Originally Posted by Nelzie

So we've learned amoung other things that the Paulson and Chipco racks are better for the Paulson chips than the chinese racks because of the tighter fit, etc. Are these chip racks made for Paulson's just as good as the original Paulson or Paul-Son racks? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120070685512

Those racks on ebay are no good. The chips on the edges will be slightly raised above the others in each row. If stacked the all the weight would rest on 10 chips (the 2 chips along the edges in each row) Unfortunately I realized this after buying them. And the vendor (casinodiscountsupplies) took over 2 weeks to ship them to me. I am still waiting on a birdcage...its been 3 weeks.

[BigBrando]

Just bumping this thread to see if anyone has any specific experience handling the situation described below...

FWIW, I've never seen/owned a Chipco rack/box, nor Matsui, but I wonder if having boxes (situated in a 1000ct birdcage) instead of uncovered racks will help me sleep better at night.

Anyone have any photos/experiences of this?

Originally Posted by Nelzie

My question was whether stacking undamaged (as in very good condition to mint, not warped, not cracked, etc) Paulson clay chips can damage the chips if they are stacked 3, 4, 5+ racks high, assuming the racks used are Paulson's or similar where the weight of the chips on top are resting on the chips in the racks below....

[dap325]

I have racks that came with covers, but they don't stack well at all with the covers on (I don't know if they're chipco or not). Matsui racks are real nice, especially for 43mm chips, and they have a top. They would seem like the better choice for a birdcage (if they fit) than the normal racks with covers on them.

I couldn't imagine that stacking chip racks 3 or 5 high would cause damage in storage. On the other hand I don't think I'd transport them long distances or on a regular basis all stacked up in uncovered racks. Just in case 1 or 2 rows, or even worse 1 or 2 chips gets more weight or gets rubbed back and forth by the racks not stacking perfectly.