[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by Strange

Figured. I think she's finished ALL the books already.

She's even finished PNLHE volume 2 already.

[yeltzen]

So, I'm reading through the Fundamentals section, and I have to laugh. It's highly likely that people are going to misapply the concepts so badly (myself included)... it's going to be funny. Yes, this book might change NL cash games forever... but not necessarily the way everyone thinks. It could actually make the games better for good players, since the average player will completely miss the point of some of this stuff.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

So, I'm reading through the Fundamentals section, and I have to laugh. It's highly likely that people are going to misapply the concepts so badly (myself included)... it's going to be funny. Yes, this book might change NL cash games forever... but not necessarily the way everyone thinks. It could actually make the games better for good players, since the average player will completely miss the point of some of this stuff.

For those of us without the book, a quick synopsis of one of the points and potential misinterpretation.

[Strange]

Originally Posted by hachkc

For those of us without the book, a quick synopsis of one of the points and potential misinterpretation.

What he said.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by hachkc

For those of us without the book, a quick synopsis of one of the points and potential misinterpretation.

Well, it looks like the majority of the book is about pot size relative to the remaining stacks, and how small this ratio has to be before you are committed. Then, you use this to plan out your entire hand.

Basically, they are expanding on the NLHETAP concept of "big pots are for big hands" by saying "don't build a big pot unless you are willing to go all in" and "make the all-in decision before you build a big pot". Kind of reminds me of Minority Report. In any event, I can just see players reading this stuff, getting dealt JJ and QQ preflop, and planning the hand to get all in as long as an A or K doesn't flop. This is good sometimes, of course, but not always. I think the average player will eff this up a lot... there will be a lot of people going broke with one pair (even more than usual). Not that I'm complaining, since after all I am an expert player and will of course expertly apply these concepts at all time and stack everyone on earth.

[hachkc]

The biggest problem I have with the "big pots for big hands" advice especially when deepstacked is its so player dependent. Against some players, I have little problem getting it all-in while against other players, its an entirely different story. The concept is definitely applicable in the "I just sat down at the casino and was dealt AA on my 1st hand" scenario. But then any advice in poker is so dependent on the players and such.

Originally Posted by yeltzen

. . . since after all I am an expert player and will of course expertly apply these concepts at all time and stack everyone on earth.

You too, what coincidence

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by hachkc

The biggest problem I have with the "big pots for big hands" advice especially when deepstacked is its so player dependent. Against some players, I have little problem getting it all-in while against other players, its an entirely different story. The concept is definitely applicable in the "I just sat down at the casino and was dealt AA on my 1st hand" scenario. But then any advice in poker is so dependent on the players and such.

At least this book doesn't specifically say "big hands", although they seem to have pretty much qualified as set as the default "big hand" (a hand you want to commit with). But, yeah, half the people reading this stuff don't even know what a "big hand" is, so for them it's kinda useless. Which I love.

[whataboutj]

I am interested in joining the group. Need to get the book I guess

[mrticsay]

Browsed the book today at the book store so I'm not an expert on the book or concepts. It looks like one to own, so I'll pick it up when my daughters' store has another employee appreciation discount day.

I can't understand why they did the chapters on outs, pot-odds and starting hands. Does every poker book need to do this? I would think a "Professional" book could get by with saying- "we assume you know this. if not, go buy another 2+2 book with it before reading on".

Main concepts-

REM (not the band or sleep/dream state)- hand Range, Equity and Maximize

Commitment (not marriage)- Making the decision about your belief in your hand.

STP (not the fuel additive) - Stack To Pot ratio

Can't tell you much more than that...I wasn't thinking I'd be posting about it.

[yeltzen]

Yeah, I don't get the "Basics" section, either... that's 40 some pages that could have been used for new material. Nothing was in there that wasn't covered in other books.