Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition

bolgenmod · #11 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

not sure whether or not I'll pick this one up. I am currently rereading Winning in Tough HE Games (which is simply the best book ever for SH aggressive limit games), part way through Ray Zee H/L book, and rereading the whole Harry Potter series in anticipation of the conclusion in a few weeks.

How much are they asking for, and considering that I play 95% cash games will it be helpful for me at all?

Lots of fun reading! Since I don't really play tough HE games, I only read the Stox/Zobags book quickly. Maybe someday...

As for your question, I would think it would not be terribly helpful for you. It really is about tournament poker, although obviously some of the advice does translate to cash games. It is worthwhile, but certainly no HOH. I buy pretty much all the good books that come out because I am crazy (I read Slotboom's PLO book for example, and I never play PLO!), but if you don't want another tournament book, well, don't buy it. (Can't you get it with FT points? I would assume you have just a FEW of those1)

Poboy · #12 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

not sure whether or not I'll pick this one up. I am currently rereading Winning in Tough HE Games (which is simply the best book ever for SH aggressive limit games), part way through Ray Zee H/L book, and rereading the whole Harry Potter series in anticipation of the conclusion in a few weeks.

How much are they asking for, and considering that I play 95% cash games will it be helpful for me at all?

It's in the FPP store for 8K pts.

dad604 · #13 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 04:10 PM

I just begin the book. It is ok if you haven't read too many other poker books.

TheMightyJim2k · #14 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Poboy

It's in the FPP store for 8K pts.

meh, that is 1/50th of my 52" plasma. 60k FPP in the last 8months, so I'm on pace to get there in a little over 4 more years. I guess I need to move up so I'll start earning them faster.

Poboy · #15 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

60k FPP in the last 8months

B*stard. I'm at 5700 for the past 8months. I want the book so bad.

For free that is.

yeltzen · #16 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dad604

I just begin the book. It is ok if you haven't read too many other poker books.

Well, that's the second time I've read this, so I'm getting the impression I should pass on it.

Poboy · #17 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by yeltzen

Well, that's the second time I've read this, so I'm getting the impression I should pass on it.

I haven't read it, so I shouldn't say anything, but the best players I know all love the book. I can't wait to get my 8K pts and pick it up.

yeltzen · #18 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Poboy

I haven't read it, so I shouldn't say anything, but the best players I know all love the book. I can't wait to get my 8K pts and pick it up.

Well, then, maybe I'll reconsider. Although I kinda don't really play poker any more. Oh well, I'll still get it and just sell it here later.

yeltzen · #19 (**permalink**) 07-30-2007, 10:34 AM

Just got my copy in the mail. Looks pretty interesting. It's funny, though... in the introduction, Michael Craig constantly uses the word "comprehensive", when that word really can't describe this book at all, since it's basically taking what Harrington wrote and critiquing or expanding on it. On top of that, most of the sections look pretty brief. I'm reading the Ferguson section, and it's some nice tidbits of information, but far from comprehensive. It's mostly just a run of ideas without a whole lot of elaboration.

I follow-up when I get further.

yeltzen · #20 (**permalink**) 07-30-2007, 07:16 PM

Well, I'm through the first three chapters of the NL section (Ferguson, Lederer, Forrest). There's some decent information, but it feels rushed. Like, I don't get the feeling that these chapters really had to be put into a book. They're short and to the point, and are brief enough that they could just as easily have been a blog entry on a website.

The Forrest chapter is the best by far. He argues with Ferguson and Lederer (more Ferguson) about playing a raise-or-fold style and being deceptive by playing all of your hands the same way. I don't really play like Forrest, but his chapter does expose a lot of holes in the advice from the other two (personally, I highly doubt Ferguson and Lederer actually play the way they advocate). There are also a few decent examples of hand-reading in live tournaments but it still feels like this should be longer and more in-depth.

Lederer's chapter on leverage is interesting, but it makes the assumption that the people you're playing against are complete morons and would never raise you when you have a decent hand. If anyone watched the WPT event where Paul Phillips embarrassed Gus Hansen, you know better. I run into this situation all the time: I have AK on a K 7 6 rainbow flop, I make a bet, get called, and then follow up on the turn. Then, I get raised. Well, this whole leverage thing starts falling apart, because I don't have a hand I'm ready to just throw in the muck and laugh at how my leverage play limited my losses. I also don't have a hand I'm ready to push with and laugh at how my leverage play won me someone's stack. I have a hand where I'm not going to know what the eff I'm supposed to do. But, there's not really any mention of this in the book. I understand that it's just pushing forth a theory-ish type concept, but still. There should be more discussion about the pros and cons.

It also annoys me that Lederer acts like this has never been talked about before, when it actually had its own chapter in Ciaffone's NL & PL book. No, it wasn't called leverage, but this was the exact thing they were talking about.

More to come...