EDIT (8/13/06):
This discussion pretty much died within the first week. I put up a poll, and most people indicated that they had not participated because they could not keep up with the reading. Others mentioned that it was summer -- not the best time for many. So I pretty much let the discussion die. And now I am officially pulling the plug.
I would still like to discuss TAP (shorter acronym), but I think a less structured discussion might work better. And a discussion started in September or so, when most vacations are over. So in September, I will again try to get some sort of discussion going. So if you were thinking about getting the book, DO IT!! A number of people have told me that TAP changed their game for the better; it is certainly worth reading and pondering.
Thanks to all who participated in and supported this discussion, especially Jojo who helped me plan it!!
Lisa
Here is a planned for the schedule for discussion of No Limit Hold'Em Theory and Practice (NLHETAP) by David Sklansky and Ed Miller.
In consultation with Jojo, I have divided up the first part of the book (Fundamentals: pages 9-240) into sections. Each section will have its own thread, started on the day indicated. We thought we would need about 2 days for discussion of each part. However, because CT is slower on the weekend, I decided that the week would be divided so that the section started on a Friday would be discussed until Monday (so three days instead of two). So we have three weeks of discussion planned, and after we see how well (or not) this works, we will plan the discussion of the final part of the book (Concepts and Weapons).
We expect discussion may continue on one part even as we move to the next, but the idea is to spend not much more than a month discussing the book. (If my students can do a Shakespeare play in a week and a half, surely we can read one book on a subject we are actually interested in in a month!)
I use the abbreviations MTWRFSN for the week days. The numbers are page numbers. (I skip the introduction, but you should at least read 7-8, "Some Notes about the Examples.")
Part 1: M 7/17 - T 7/18 -- 11-44 Thread:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/poker-...e-11-44-a.html
Part 2: W 7/19 - R 7/20 -- 45-81 Thread:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/poker-...tml#post321909
Part 3: F 7/21 - N 7/23 -- 82-97 Thread:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/poker-...e-82-97-a.html
Part 4: M 7/24 - T 7/25 -- 98-130 Thread:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/poker-...tml#post325030
Part 5: W 7/26 - R 7/27 -- 131-167
Part 6: F 7/28 - N 7/30 -- 168-182
Part 7: M 7/31 - T 8/1 -- 183-213
Part 8: W 8/2 - R 8/3 -- 214-227
Part 9: F 8/4 - N 8/6 -- 228-240
(The last part of the book -- 243-298 -- will probably be divided into 4 sections, making our targeted finishing date August 15.)
Discussions will be free-wheeling but civilized: I hope both experts and no-so experts to be asking and answering questions. As a teacher, I know that I understand things much better when I try to explain them. And I also know that sometimes a question that someone feels is too stupid to ask is often the key to a great discussion if my student has the courage to ask it. I am not afraid to ask the stupid question (and I have plenty of them!), and I hope no one else will be either.
Jojo already started a thread about what you might want to know before diving in. As I said in the other thread, NLHETAP is not a beginners' book. Besides looking for CT discussion of EV and such, I would recommend the following if you feel shaky about the concepts of EV and odds, both pot and implied:
Small Stakes Hold'Em by Ed Miller, David Sklansky, and Mason Malmuth (SSHE): pages 13-41. (This is a limit hold'em book, also not for total beginners, but I find their explanations here to be very clear.)
The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky (TOP): pages 1-26 and 35-61. (I would recommend the whole book, but whatever. This is also where the first important concept of NLHETAP -- the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- is discussed.)
The schedule is not written in stone -- if the majority feels we are going too fast or too slow on some parts, we can adjust. But as I said, the goal is to get through the book in a little over a month.
(And by the way, if you find bolgenmod too complicated, you can always just call me Lisa!)
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