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View Poll Results: what concepts should be discussed before we start discussion of NLHE:TP
Pot odds 1 6.25%
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Why is position so important? 1 6.25%
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Old 07-10-2006, 08:25 PM
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Re: Pre-NLHE:TP discussion

"Master Discussion Thread" is up. I include some recommended readings on ev, odds, and the Fundamental Theorem towards the end. But I think Jojo is right: actual discussion here would probably benefit many of us. (I thought I understood both implied odds and EV before I first read NLHETAP, but I found I didn't understand them as well as I thought!)
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Sorry if this isn't the correct place for such a request, but does anybody have a good review of this book? One criticism of Sklansky et al is that he has a tendency to duplicate material in his books. I own Theory Of Poker, Hold 'Em for the Advanced Player, and Tournaments for the Advanced Player (sorry if any of the titles are off, I don't have them in front of me). Should I still be looking to get this one too?
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Sorry if this isn't the correct place for such a request, but does anybody have a good review of this book? One criticism of Sklansky et al is that he has a tendency to duplicate material in his books. I own Theory Of Poker, Hold 'Em for the Advanced Player, and Tournaments for the Advanced Player (sorry if any of the titles are off, I don't have them in front of me). Should I still be looking to get this one too?
I too own all the books you mention (along with others like SSHE), and I have to say that I see very little duplication in those books besides the discussions of important basic concepts like EV (he almost always uses the coin flip example).

NLHETAP is new -- just published at the very end of May -- so there aren't any "published" reviews that I know of. There is certainly discussion of it and some reviews by posters on the 2+2 books and publication forum. The general consensus there is that it has many new and important concepts. And this is not entirely a 2+2 effect: one of the first people to post about the book felt it contained nothing that a good NL player didn't know already. Responses pointed out that not everyone was as good a player as OP and that they (the other posters) had found good stuff in it even if they were already skilled NL players.

But I will say that I found this book to be VERY different from his other books, partly because NL play is very different than limit play. If you play any NL, I would get the book. If nothing else, like HEPFAP, most other serious players will have read it. And of course, if you get it, you can join our "fun" discussion!
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