[DiceCaller]

Thanks to Joe at Palm Imports we are putting together a Group - Buy for 50,000 Great Wall (Wallsons) compression clay chips at 30c each. There are some great designs going and the contest is about to go to the Semi-Finals. Details can be seen on this thread; http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/palmim...n-clay-pi.html

It looks like there is still plenty of interest in the .25 / 25c / 0.25 / Quarter chip. There will also be the Chocolate Chip available eventually and Joe will retain the rights to the winning design so there will be some flexibilty available down the road.

There is a Strong and Clear consensus on the following values. 1, 5, 25, 100, 500, 1000, 5000, NCV. This leaves two holes to fill. I am going to put up a poll for the last two values. It will be pick two 0.25, 10, 2500, 10000, 25000, 2nd NCV. I think that covers everything discussed and this should help us narrow things down. We all have idea of our "perfect" set, but please also try to consider;
a. What will sell the most chips for this Group Buy.
b. That the Chocolate Chip will be available for an Add-On in the future.

Thank you,
Shane

[Felt Lizard]

My fellow micro-cashers,

Ask not what your poker set can do for you , but what you can do for your poker set.

A vote for 10 is a vote for all that is wonderful in this world:

Grandma
Apple Pie
Poker games for the common worker
Higher wages
Lower gas prices
A favorable conclusion to the Iraq situation
An end to global warming
A ball gag for Phil Hellmuth
Paulson offering customs again

Micro-cashers, join me at the polls. Together we will show our solidarity as we deliver a landslide mandate for the 10 !

10 is the Zen
10 cornish hen
10 hot women
10 put it in
10 the religion
10 John Glenn
10 for the Win

[djexacto]

I still don't get the logic behind a 10 chip. It seems to be about as useful as the 200 plaque.

But, if the masses decide thats what they want, who am I to argue?

[mrcashflow]

For a cash game, I think a 20 denom would be much more useful.

[asam2006]

For cash games 25c is a must and 20$ chip would be sweet. Cash game players would have to this.

[KingZilla]

I'm definitely down for the 10. If you play T1000 tourneys with blinds starting at 5/10 or 10/20 you would appreciate the value of a "10" chip. Look at most sets. You see a jump from 500 to 1000. There is no difference between a jump from 5 to 10, yet I can't imagine anyone objecting to having 500 and 1000 value chips in their set.

Quarters are always good for cash games, although I guess the 25 chip (with no currency symbol) could also be used as such. So if you want to use the set for micro cash games, the chips would be used as cents instead of dollars and for tourneys the same chips could be used as dollars. Same goes for higher limit cash games. A 20 is not nearly as useful as a 10, and if you are in a cash game, just use a 25 instead of a 20.. Now THOSE are values that are WAYYY too close to be useful. For those who are running tourneys like they are the World Series of Poker, yeah a 25,000 chip may seem cool but in real life no one is going to use a 25k chip for any other purpose.

[mrcashflow]

Originally Posted by KingZilla

I'm definitely down for the 10. If you play T1000 tourneys with blinds starting at 5/10 or 10/20 you would appreciate the value of a "10" chip. Look at most sets. You see a jump from 100 to 500. There is no difference between a jump from 5 to 10, yet I can't imagine anyone objecting to having 100 and 500 value chips in their set.

Actually, the jump is signficant. The available blinds between 100 and 500 is significantly more than you have from 5 to 10. That said, I'm not opposed to a "10" denom but also think we need to keep the 10 most efficient values from an order standpoint. I'm interested in knowing of the 40k that preliminarily committed, what the denom breakdown is they are looking to buy. I'm strictly in for a tourney set of 25 and up.

[djexacto]

Originally Posted by KingZilla

I'm definitely down for the 10. If you play T1000 tourneys with blinds starting at 5/10 or 10/20 you would appreciate the value of a "10" chip. Look at most sets. You see a jump from 100 to 500. There is no difference between a jump from 5 to 10, yet I can't imagine anyone objecting to having 100 and 500 value chips in their set.

I have and occasionally do play T1000 tourneys. I just don't see whats so hard about putting in two 5's instead. Also, the "jump from 500 to 1000" is a subject of much debate on this site. And even then there are usually 3-4 blind levels in between. With a 5 and a 10 chip there is only one.

[Felt Lizard]

Then there's a crowd of folks that grew up playing a classic game. This is where a lot of casual players and home games reside. The majority?...maybe not...but a sizable chunk.
It's the social crowd. Where you can drink and lose and not go broke. I bet a lot of us learned the basics over these very coins. When you fly home at Thanksgiving and play with your inlaws and their plastic chips, its on these denoms.
There's no getting past it. The Nickel-Dime-Quarter game is quintessential to the American poker experience. This is what a lot of people think of when they think "Poker."
And the simple fact is that there is no demon in the basic 1, 5, 25, 100, 500, 1000 series that effectively doubles as a damn dime AND meshes well with the other chips. Look at it. All the other coins are there. The penny (yes even the penny) could be represented by the 1, the nickel on 5, the quarter on 25 and the dollar on 100.

I (speaking only for myself here) would love to see this classic, elementary denom get addressed with this set. I've watched the last few GB's go by and the 10 has been passed over time and time again.
These are Wallsons, not Paulsons. This set is likely attracting a lot of folks that can't or simply won't afford the bucks for a "big" clays yet. These same budget minded folks will likely also want to revisit the game with which they cut their teeth on and have so many fond memories for. N-D-Q.

The fact that we have 10 chips available for a half decent set of chips is a rare opportunity. C'mon. For the tradition, for the nostalgia, and for your grandparents...
...Give em' the Dime for once.

Vote for the 10.

End rant.

[KingZilla]

Originally Posted by djexacto

I have and occasionally do play T1000 tourneys. I just don't see whats so hard about putting in two 5's instead. Also, the "jump from 500 to 1000" is a subject of much debate on this site. And even then there are usually 3-4 blind levels in between. With a 5 and a 10 chip there is only one.

500 to 1000 is what I meant, OOPS. I corrected the post. And, two 5's at lower limits adds up to a LOT of chips. I can buy less total chips using the 10's.