[PAFisher]

is there a way to uncast a vote?

I actually voted for 3 options because when I clicked the third one, I expected it to uncheck one of my other options.

I meant to vote for 25¢ and 10 and I actually voted for the 2nd NCV too.

If someone can remove my vote for the 2nd NCV, I would appreciate it.

PAFisher

[PAFisher]

Originally Posted by Felt Lizard

I'm still amazed at all the .25 voters, even though the 25 already exists without the currency marker, and the .25 and 25 shouldn't ever overlap in games.

So, it'll all come down to who wants a top-to-bottom tourney set, and who wants a top-to-bottom cash set.

Why is it that the cash game player is forced to pretend that the 25 chip is .25 and the Tourney player cannot pretend that a .25 chip is a 25?

Seems a little onesided to me.

I currently use a NJ Skulls set for my cash games. I use $5 for nickels and then the 25¢ and $1 chips. Everyone still bitches because there is no dime chip ( I just don't understand this). This is why I voted for a 10 chip. Once I finish with my sharpie, they'll all be .10 chips.

PAFisher

[Felt Lizard]

Testify.

N-D-Q for me and you

No sin on the 10.

Gimme a dime, anytime !

AMEN on the 10 !

Push in with the 10 !

Vote again all 10 !

Rin tin 10 !

[KingZilla]

Originally Posted by cdnmoose

The problem is just in your breakdown.
10 players
20/16/5 = T1000
200 5s
160 25s
50 100s
410 chips

10 players
10/10/7 = T1000
now you only need
100 5s
100 25s
70 100s
270 chips
Add 10 100s and 20 500s for colour ups, a rack of .25s and 1s and you have a versatile cash/tourney set in 500 chips.

With only Ten $5 chips, there would be major changeouts (people making change) going on. That just isn't enough small chips for my lower levels, players would run out of 5's very quickly. This is why I work in the $10 and every thing runs very smoothly with minimal changeouts. I have run this tourney for a LONG time and there are only compliments about how smoothly they run.

[KingZilla]

Originally Posted by PAFisher

is there a way to uncast a vote?

I actually voted for 3 options because when I clicked the third one, I expected it to uncheck one of my other options.

I meant to vote for 25¢ and 10 and I actually voted for the 2nd NCV too.

If someone can remove my vote for the 2nd NCV, I would appreciate it.

PAFisher

HEYYY! Thats MINUS ONE for the 2nd NCV and PLUS ONE for the 10.

[byline9]

I gave the 10 my vote, hooray for you traditionalists. I have nickels, dimes, and quarters in my own micro cash set.

[Felt Lizard]

HEYYY! Thats MINUS ONE for the 2nd NCV and PLUS ONE for the 10.

Almost. He actually cast 3 votes. So it's just -1 for the second NVC.

[cdnmoose]

Originally Posted by KingZilla

With only Ten $5 chips, there would be major changeouts (people making change) going on. That just isn't enough small chips for my lower levels, players would run out of 5's very quickly. This is why I work in the $10 and every thing runs very smoothly with minimal changeouts. I have run this tourney for a LONG time and there are only compliments about how smoothly they run.

I think it is a balance. Very early everyone has the same number of chips. Yes people will win/lose chips and need to start making change eventually. However as that begins to happen you have the balancing effect of bustouts which will raise the ave # of chips per person.

If you start with too many chips as soon as a couple people bust then people are stuck with large piles of chips that they don't want to put into play and then the game slows down as they have to cut out and count out 10-20 5s everytime they want to make a large bet.

As other people have mentioned the entire issue is helped by just starting the blinds at 25/25 or 25/50. The 25 is a much more efficient denom for the simple reason that it takes 4 25s to make the next denom - T100. Whereas it takes 5 5s to equal a T25. Simply eliminating 5s and having the smallest denom in your tourney set a T25 is a 20% saving in chips right there.

I used to use T1000 starting stacks and 5/10 blinds but the piles of useless 5s sitting around unused was annoying as soon as the blinds got to 20/40 and 30/60. Simply because people stopped using the 5s and put the 25s in play. Now I start at 25/25 and give out T4000 in chips. It is just a better structure and a more efficient use of chips.

T1000/(5+10) = starting m=66.7 and T4000/(25+25) = starting m=80
In the second level your m drops to T1000/(10+20) = 33.3 and T4000/(25+50) = 53.3. By the 3rd level you are only 30-40 min into your tourney and 20/40 blinds drops your m down to 16.7 and people are already under pressure from the blinds - that is why you find people are running out of 5s. The T4000 is just a more generous structure.

Drop the T5, start with T25 chips and you will never go back.

[KingZilla]

Originally Posted by cdnmoose

Drop the T5, start with T25 chips and you will never go back.

I don't disagree, you make a good point. The only problem is, I have limited resources (that is why I am interested in this group buy) and I like the fact that I can use some of my tourney chips when we switch to cash games. From the tourney chips, I can use the $5, $10, and the occasional $25. More versatility and bang for my buck. Yes, I will have to buy 25¢ and $1 chips, but that's all. If my tourney set starts with $25, I now have to buy TWO sets of chips .