[Nate PT]

Originally Posted by 24tex24

I'm in for a large tourney set - starting at 25 and going north from there. I don't like the 10 if it means I lose the 10,000 or 25,000 chip.

truth

[KingZilla]

Originally Posted by bmwguy525

If the biggest amount of T5s you would need is for a T10 blind (assuming 5-10, 10-25, 25-50, etc) then why would you even need that many T5s in play?

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, I'm only asking because I've never played in a regular tourney that starts under 25-50.

I take no offense at all. I like my set to accomodate at least 10 players. for the T1000 that means I issue each player twenty 5, sixteen 25 and five 100's. So this means my set has to have Two Hundred 5's. As I said, that's almost half the set in 5's. Using the 10's, I now can issue ten each of the 5,10,25 and six 100's. each player has 36 chips as compared to 41 not using the 10. That's 50 chips less so I can now buy 500's to color up later. I've never needed $1000 chips. Obviously, a 10 is worth two 5's so you can see it reduces the number of chips on the table and simplifies counting all those 5's. Blinds are 5/10, 10/20, 20/40, 30/60 at the lower levels. I color up once at the 100/200 level to all 100's (and 500's if needed). I don't know how many use the T1000 starting stacks, but I do. The chip set at these levels gives me chips to use in the cash games as well. If my starting blinds were 25/50 or 100/200, I'd have a set that would never be used in my cash games. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the 10 would also come in handy for cash games. I know a lot of people like to play those high stakes tourneys, but I have to try to make my set as versatile as possible for both tourneys and cash games. I won't be too selfish here - I realize I could buy the lion's share of chips and just do a semi-custom add on later. As for 2 NCV chips, well I have used ONE NCV chip before and believe it or not, it was not well received by my players ("What's this worth again? Why aren't they numbered?"). Having 2 NCV chips would probably lead to a Cluster F**K. Yeah, some are just not too bright,

[djexacto]

With those blind levels, it sounds like you need a 20 chip. then skip the 25 and head straight to the 100.

Maybe just revise your levels a bit to a more standard (non-online) progression. ie.

5-10
10-25
25-50
etc.

just my $.02

[DiceCaller]

Originally Posted by mrcashflow

Having never played a tourney w/ a 2500 chip vs. a 1k chip I wouldn't know the efficiency. Do you then drop the 5k chip and go straight to the 10k so the 4-5x progression stays the same?

This is the idea, the theory is that instead of 500 - 1000 - 5000 - 25000 the chips go 500 - 2500 - 10000 - 50000. It makes for a more efficient blind structure.

I actually prefer T2000 to T2500 (my mind just has a hard time wrapping itself around the idea of a T2500 chip and one stack of T100 = T2000) I don't have any issues with T25,000 so I guess it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

This being said; even though it now seems unlikely that the Chocolate Chip will be unavailable for the 30c Group Buy we should probably ask of the wining designer to include a design for the chip so that it may be used as a later add-on. The 25c chip seems a strong favorite but there is currently a three way tie between 10, 25000, and 2d NCV so we will see how things shake out.

Shane

[gcrissman]

I would like to see a $20 chip for my cash game... but that is just my opinion.

[cdnmoose]

Originally Posted by KingZilla

I take no offense at all. I like my set to accomodate at least 10 players. for the T1000 that means I issue each player twenty 5, sixteen 25 and five 100's. So this means my set has to have Two Hundred 5's. As I said, that's almost half the set in 5's. Using the 10's, I now can issue ten each of the 5,10,25 and six 100's. each player has 36 chips as compared to 41 not using the 10. That's 50 chips less so I can now buy 500's to color up later. I've never needed $1000 chips. Obviously, a 10 is worth two 5's so you can see it reduces the number of chips on the table and simplifies counting all those 5's. Blinds are 5/10, 10/20, 20/40, 30/60 at the lower levels. I color up once at the 100/200 level to all 100's (and 500's if needed).

The problem is just in your breakdown.
10 players
20/16/5 = T1000
200 5s
160 25s
50 100s
410 chips

10 players
10/10/7 = T1000
now you only need
100 5s
100 25s
70 100s
270 chips
Add 10 100s and 20 500s for colour ups, a rack of .25s and 1s and you have a versatile cash/tourney set in 500 chips.

Honestly just think how your chips are used in the game - for 30/60 blinds are your players really putting out stacks of 6 and 12 5s or are they putting out one 5/25 =30 and two 5/25 = 60? If so, then you don't need all those 5s in play. I think in most situations players try to use the highest denoms they can first. ie if someone bets 100, they look for their T100 chip first, if not, they look for 4 25s, if not then they go to the 5s as a last resort.

[Garyon]

Holy Cow!! So many votes so quickly!! Where are all these voters for the 43mm SunFly competition? We haven't gotten this many voters in 5 DAYS much less 1 day! Not to get off topic but I would strongly encourage folks to take a peek!

Anyway ... I voted for the .25c and the 25000 ... I think that the NCV could cover duties as a 10 if needed (sorry Felt_Lizard ).

[Felt Lizard]

I'm still amazed at all the .25 voters, even though the 25 already exists without the currency marker, and the .25 and 25 shouldn't ever overlap in games.

So, it'll all come down to who wants a top-to-bottom tourney set, and who wants a top-to-bottom cash set.

Undoubtedly, the 10 completes the cash set.

Because of all the other tourney sets that they already own, hopefully the cash players out there will cast a vote for the little 10.

(That's ok Garyon, between this poll and design round 2, we're even on counter votes. )

[bmwguy525]

Originally Posted by KingZilla

Blinds are 5/10, 10/20, 20/40, 30/60 at the lower levels. I color up once at the 100/200 level to all 100's

This makes a little bit more sense, as I had assumed it went from 5/10 to 10/25, but still I would think that 30, 40, and 60 blinds that you'd have a mix of T5s and T25s to equal the blinds, which still means you wouldn't need a whole lot of 5s. I understand the want for it in a cash game, but if you're already using 5s I guess I would just use those instead of 10s, but again I can't say cuz I've never been in a game that doesn't start at quarters

[bmwguy525]

Originally Posted by cdnmoose

The problem is just in your breakdown.
10 players
20/16/5 = T1000
200 5s
160 25s
50 100s
410 chips

10 players
10/10/7 = T1000
now you only need
100 5s
100 25s
70 100s
270 chips
Add 10 100s and 20 500s for colour ups, a rack of .25s and 1s and you have a versatile cash/tourney set in 500 chips.

Honestly just think how your chips are used in the game - for 30/60 blinds are your players really putting out stacks of 6 and 12 5s or are they putting out one 5/25 =30 and two 5/25 = 60? If so, then you don't need all those 5s in play. I think in most situations players try to use the highest denoms they can first. ie if someone bets 100, they look for their T100 chip first, if not, they look for 4 25s, if not then they go to the 5s as a last resort.

Yeah this makes a lot of sense, and goes along what I was trying to say about not needing so many T5s. Of course, I love to have a lot of chips in play, so with only 10 players I'm not sure I could personally handle only having 27 chips per starting stack