[mrticsay]

I started playing online this week (at Party Poker) for the first time...prepping for the CT tournament...playing in the CT tournament...and checking out other games over the weekend.

Can someone explain to me either how to turn off showing my muck in the hand history or why the log shows people's mucks to everyone? Isn't the whole point of mucking so that players don't know?

Thanks for any insight,
Michael

[mrticsay]

I've done some research on my own and am even more confused.

After the river, two people folded after my bet, but the history doesn't show their hand.

After the river, when I folded, my cards where shown. I had set "Muck Losing Hand" because I was tired of the prompt. Does "mucking" show the hand...if I just don't pick "muck" does it fold the hand show it doesn't show?

And where do I find some "real" instructions on using the site. I have a feeling there's so much a newbie only learns through painful ($$) experience.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Michael

[dad604]

If the player call your bet and then mucks, the losing hand can be seen but if they fold to a bet then the hands cannot be seen. Off course you will see your own hand.

[hunterking]

yeah, i think that it's pretty lame that they will show your mucked cards in the hand history, too. i know they do it at pokerstars, and, with the new instant hand history that they have there, it just gives opponents way too much information about how you play your hands. i mean, isn't the purpose of mucking to keep information from your opponents?

[hachkc]

I believe you are technically entitled to see all hands that call after the river. In B&M games, its usually considered bad form to constantly ask to see mucked hands but you could do it.

[VARoadstter]

You are entitled to see all the hands that are played to the end (not folded to a bet). The reason for this is related to B&M play - a player is allowed to ask the dealer to show a mucked (not folded) losing hand on the river as evidence that collusion has not occurred. As a previous poster stated, it would be considered bad form to do this repeatedly at the table (it slows down the game and would be thought of as a borderline angle shoot).

All online sites that provide hand histories will show the mucked hands, not just PokerStars. You better believe that people will check them - I do! The key thing to remember is that it does not provide any edge to an individual player. Everyone is treated equally.

[Phaetos]

From my experience, unless something has changed, Ultimate Bet does NOT show mucked hands in the log.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by Phaetos

From my experience, unless something has changed, Ultimate Bet does NOT show mucked hands in the log.

Yes they do.
People are paranoid enough about cheating as it is... imagine how they'd be if they couldn't check the hands being mucked... especially when two idiots are capping the betting on every street with a completely useless board. If one guy has AA and the other has 82o and nothing on the board, people aren't going to want to play in that game.