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Old 07-06-2005, 10:48 AM
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Totally with you on this. Why don't the website give entries into the smaller tournaments?? Like the $2000 NL event?? I know people could come up with that kind of money on their own, but it would keep the web junkies from cheapening the Main Event!
Simple. It's easier to market a satellite offering a seat at the WSOP MAIN EVENT than a seat at the WSOP $2000 Pot-Limit Omaha Low-Ball Kings-and-Little-Ones Tournament. (Ok, I made that one up)
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It definitely gets harder for the better players to win the bigger the field is. I mean, the majority of preflop all-ins are gonna be 88 vs. AK or the like, and you can only win so many of those before your luck runs out. Unless a pro wins 400 races in a row, they're gonna get knocked out by the legions upon legions of internet morons who think AK is the nuts.
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It definitely gets harder for the better players to win the bigger the field is. I mean, the majority of preflop all-ins are gonna be 88 vs. AK or the like, and you can only win so many of those before your luck runs out. Unless a pro wins 400 races in a row, they're gonna get knocked out by the legions upon legions of internet morons who think AK is the nuts.
But how many pros are going to be interested in that pre-flop all-in? Unless their chipstack would be relatively unaffected by the loss, I would say that most of them would be more comfortable passing on the situation and grinding down the dead money with good reads post-flop.
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also, in general, the "better" players are more likely to suffer from bad beats than the "average" players, and it will be the average players who will be dealing out the bad beats...

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In general I agree but I do find it very interesting just how many "name players" are taking down the prizes this year. It's like a who's who of poker.

Got my fingers crossed for the following: Dan Harrington, Howard Lederer, Daniel Negraneau, and Phil Ivey.

Anyone interested in prop bets on who will make the final table? It's time to gambool!
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I'm not saying a pro would be interested in 88 vs. AK, but they're gonna happen at some point. You can only fold to a preflop all-in from some schmuck so many times. Those guys love to do it with AK and eventually you're going to have to gamble with them. You figure there's 4000+ amateurs there... you can only dodge so many landmines.
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I don't know. I don't think the skill necessary to win changes much as the field gets larger. The pros will still have ample opportunity to "rise to the top". And saying that dead money has won before isn't exactly true. Moneymaker and Raymer were more like semi-pros when they won. ...Well, that's what they say NOW.
I'm not saying a pro can't win but its not as likely based on the size of the field. Poker unlike most other "sports" has a much higher degree of luck involved. This minimizes the skill factor somewhat especially in the short run. If a pro plays a hand perfectly but stills gets knocked out to a bad beat on some dead money's rivered 1-outter, who's the better player? With a field this large, those hands that win 90% of the time are going to lose a lot of times just based on random chance and the sheer volume of hands being played.

As for Moneymaker, I don't believe he EVER played in a live tournament prior to his 2003 WSOP appearance; not a good resume for pro poker players. Don't know much about Raymer but I thought he had more experience than Moneymaker.
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