[jojobinks]

it's not rigged.

[Clonexx]

Nope not rigged, but not truly random either =P

[pager23]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

it's not rigged.

Whew! That's a relief.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by Clonexx

Nope not rigged, but not truly random either =P

that's true in much the same way it's true that hellmuth would win every one if luck weren't involved: it may be true, but it doesn't matter much, really.

[dad604]

What do you mean, NOT RIGGED. It is rigged so that the best player will win in the long run.

[Clonexx]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

that's true in much the same way it's true that hellmuth would win every one if luck weren't involved: it may be true, but it doesn't matter much, really.

I think it matters some, especially if you plan on playing the higher limits online *shrug*

It does not however, matter to most people, including myself.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

it's not rigged.

That's not true! That's impossible!!!!!!!

[R Deckard]

Boy, is this a content-free thread!

[jojobinks]

heh, good one, deck. i just felt it needed to be here, considering the way this forum is filling up with "it's rigged" bad beat threads.

maybe it'd be better if i put in some hand histories of best hands that held up? here're some:

notice in this first one the way the JJ bizarrely holds up against two random hands.
***** Hand History for Game 2270818500 *****
$2000 NL Hold'em - Monday, June 27, 06:23:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 51969 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 3: supraliminal ( $14187 )
Seat 2: HeeeHaw ( $3546 )
Seat 4: Dardumbyu ( $2149 )
supraliminal posts small blind [$10].
HeeeHaw posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
supraliminal calls [$10].
HeeeHaw raises [$35].
supraliminal raises [$380].
HeeeHaw calls [$345].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Kc, Kd ]
supraliminal bets [$500].
HeeeHaw is all-In.
supraliminal calls [$2646].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
supraliminal shows [ Jh, Jc ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
HeeeHaw doesn't show [ 4c, 8s ] two pairs, kings and eights.
supraliminal wins $7091 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and jacks.

in this second, i stupidly call all in with AA only to find myself the winner after the board is dealt!
***** Hand History for Game 1052828389 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - TUE OCT 12 23:03:49 EDT 2004
Table Table 11407 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Fast_SS ( $13.25)
Seat 2: highstksladi ( $9.25)
Seat 3: EggoWaffles ( $47.80)
Seat 4: Ego1st ( $19.30)
Seat 5: yuCOULDcall ( $28.60)
Seat 6: mwfeldman ( $54.90)
Seat 7: noonan ( $199.11)
Seat 8: jmflamm1 ( $9)
Seat 10: bennyjet ( $30.40)
noonan posts small blind (0.25)
jmflamm1 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mwfeldman [ Ad, Ah ]
bennyjet folds.
Fast_SS calls (0.50)
highstksladi folds.
EggoWaffles folds.
Ego1st folds.
mwfeldman raises (1.50) to 1.50
noonan raises (3.75) to 4
jmflamm1 raises (8.50) to 9
jmflamm1 is all-In.
Fast_SS folds.
mwfeldman raises (18.50) to 20
noonan raises (195.11) to 199.11
noonan is all-In.
mwfeldman calls (34.90)
mwfeldman is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, 4d, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
Creating Main Pot with $27.50 with jmflamm1
Creating Side Pot 1 with $91.80 with mwfeldman
Creating Side Pot 2 with $144.21 with noonan
** Summary **
Main Pot: $27.50 | Side Pot 1: $91.80 | Side Pot 2: $144.21 | Rake: $0
Board: [ Tc 4d 3c Jd 3d ]
Fast_SS balance $12.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
highstksladi balance $9.25, didn't bet (folded)
EggoWaffles balance $47.80, didn't bet (folded)
Ego1st balance $19.30, didn't bet (folded)
yuCOULDcall balance $28.60, sits out
mwfeldman balance $119.30, bet $54.90, collected $119.30, net +$64.40 [ Ad Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and threes -- Ad,Ah,Jd,3c,3d ]
noonan balance $144.21, bet $199.11, collected $144.21, lost -$54.90 [ Qd Qc ] [ two pairs, queens and threes -- Qd,Qc,Jd,3c,3d ]
jmflamm1 balance $0, lost $9 [ 5s 5d ] [ two pairs, fives and threes -- Jd,5s,5d,3c,3d ]
bennyjet balance $30.40, didn't bet (folded)

and finally, we see another example of AA, in which the 5 outer fails to catch up!
***** Hand History for Game 1703651779 *****
$1000 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, March 08, 03:49:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 36998 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: pygmyhipo ( $905 )
Seat 2: GnightMoon ( $2601.25 )
Seat 5: Einstein1927 ( $1126 )
Seat 6: chinooks ( $1030 )
Seat 9: asunuts ( $2919.25 )
Seat 10: trickslick1 ( $432 )
Seat 8: AliKings ( $1000 )
Seat 3: TableStephen ( $2214 )
Seat 4: WiliamWalice ( $218.5 )
asunuts posts small blind [$5].
trickslick1 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
pygmyhipo folds.
GnightMoon folds.
TableStephen folds.
WiliamWalice folds.
Einstein1927 folds.
chinooks folds.
AliKings raises [$25].
asunuts folds.
trickslick1 calls [$15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 3c, 4s ]
trickslick1 bets [$100].
AliKings is all-In.
trickslick1 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
trickslick1 shows [ 9h, Th ] a pair of nines.
AliKings shows [ Ah, Ad ] a pair of aces.
AliKings wins $568 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
AliKings wins $866 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

[SpaceMonkey]

Maybe we really need a hand converter tool for this board.