[jojobinks]

so i've been concentrating on them this year, and have probably played 3x as many cash hands as tournament, for the first time since i've been playing.

results...decidedly blah.



i don't really know what i'm looking for...maybe just a vent? maybe questions for next steps? the chart looks weird b/c i'm up 600 bb but down money. this is b/c i have hands everywhere from .1/.25 to 2/4 ( when grinding for my star last minute).

what have you done to turn your game around (over a big sample). make me some recommendations, puhlease!

[jojobinks]

additional info (i really do want help, if you have it to offer)

35k/43k hands are .25nlhe.

my numbers, roughly: 21vpip, 14pfr, 2.5 agg

[hachkc]

hehe

Reminds me of when I made Gold for the first time, it only cost me $400 for the month

A couple of questions:

1. I'll assume you are winning at the lower limits but losing at the higher limits. If you are looking to win bb and real $, the simple answer is play at the limits you are winning at.

2. If chasing after fpps/VPPs is costing you money, its probably not worth it then. An fpp is worth like what a few pennies, doesn't seem hardly worth chasing them if you they cost you real $$$.

3. If low limit NLHE is somewhat boring (I've found it so at times), trying picking up a different game like PLO, PLO8, limit (yuck) games instead of jumping stakes. Coming back to NLHE might not seem so boring then.

4. Why/Where are you losing at the higher limits (see #1 assumption)?

Most of these are probably obvious and maybe they are not what you are looking for but they are what first come to mind based on my experience.

[jojobinks]

thanks for the response, hach.

good point, and well taken. i see that most of the money i've lost came playing 7vpip at .5/1 nlhe full ring. :*

but here's the thing; when i take out the bigger stakes, and include only .25/.5 and .1/.25, it's still incredibly swingy and not all that profitable. chart:



so basically, my issue is that i'm i VERY small winner at tiny stakes and i want to get better. i mess around with the other games, but what i really want to is to beat this F'in game for 5bb/100 for awhile so that i can get to where i can make some damn monies!

my BR is fine from tournaments, but what i really want is to get rolled to play 3/5 live, which i've played just a bit and watched quite a bit, and which is 10x softer than .1/.25 on p*.

[JoseRijo]

How about posting your stats? Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

(I'd show first but it's bed time. 30K hands at 25NL 24.5/18.9/2.7)

[littlebu]

I have this distinctive feeling that you may be pushing slightly +EV situations and that makes for a rollercoaster of a ride. Wish I had something better but that's how my cash graphed looked so I started playing more tourney's. I do like Hach says though and when grinding 25nl and 50nl gets boring I grind some 1/2 -3/6 limit 6 max. Much more exciting and frusterating in it's own way but it breaks up the grind. I've also taken a liking to HU play so I've been throwing that in much more often both cash and sng's. Then there's always the sng's to play. Probably why I can't improve cause I don't focus enough on one game but w/e. Sorry it got so long with no real advice, but I'm in the same spot.

[Irish Se7en]

How would you have rated your play today @ the .25¢/.50¢ tables?


I happened to be scouting some tables (yes I have no life) and saw you at one. Then I noticed you were multi-tabling. I continued to do what I had to do and saw a couple of your hands.

At one table it was clearly obvious what you had and unfortunately was you opponent had. You played the hand as well as you could but he rivered a K for the set. It sawks but you reloaded and rebounded shortly after with the donkey who had KJ vs your AK. Sometimes people need to know how to fold a K with an avg kicker.

I also saw the hand were you lost a few chips when there were four clubs on the board (river card included) and the opponent kept check calling your bet until the river card. Then he bet out and you folded. You lost some coins but that's just the way it is with some of these calling stations.

I didn't see any flaws in the way you played. Though I'm not sure if mutli-tabling is always the best way to go. Sometimes people play too robotic and only play x-cards. They also might not have the right reads when multi-tabling or make the correct decisions all the time. I saw that with one player today who made multiple mistakes because of her/his lack of concentration and not reading the board or putting a player on a hand. I'm not saying this was the way you played but I've seen it happen when people are mutli-tabling (myself included ).

I noticed that when I'm making poor decisions it has to do with my lack of concentration OR what's going on in my head. I guess the only thing I should say is stay positive and keep grinding.

that's it from the original micro donk

[ontheuptick]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

my BR is fine from tournaments, but what i really want is to get rolled to play 3/5 live, which i've played just a bit and watched quite a bit, and which is 10x softer than .1/.25 on p*.

I'm no expert by any stretch, but this line caught my attention.

I've been reading and watching interviews with cash game pros for a while now (specifically, the "Capture the Flag" segment from Cardplayer mag), and they almost always say one thing when asked about bankroll management: Sometimes you need to go after the best games, even if it is a stretch for your bankroll. Durrrr, Antonius, and others in their articles talked several times about taking shots at higher levels, because the games were soft.

Granted, a jump from .10/.25 to 3/5 would be a big jump, but if your bankroll is decent enough to take a shot in the game, it might be worth it.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by ontheuptick

I'm no expert by any stretch, but this line caught my attention.

I've been reading and watching interviews with cash game pros for a while now (specifically, the "Capture the Flag" segment from Cardplayer mag), and they almost always say one thing when asked about bankroll management: Sometimes you need to go after the best games, even if it is a stretch for your bankroll. Durrrr, Antonius, and others in their articles talked several times about taking shots at higher levels, because the games were soft.

Granted, a jump from .10/.25 to 3/5 would be a big jump, but if your bankroll is decent enough to take a shot in the game, it might be worth it.

it was really the interview with durrr last week on "cash plays" that reminded me about taking shots, and that i'm too freakin' nitty. the thing is, i'm hugely rolled for .1/.25 and still pretty majorly underrolled for 3/5.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by Irish Se7en

At one table it was clearly obvious what you had and unfortunately was you opponent had. You played the hand as well as you could but he rivered a K for the set.

as well i could? i'd say getting it in 90/10 was preeeettttty okay, huh? yeah, that was just silly, but w/e, soldier on.

w the hand were you lost a few chips when there were four clubs on the board (river card included) and the opponent kept check calling your bet until the river card. Then he bet out and you folded. You lost some coins but that's just the way it is with some of these calling stations.

had tptk on that hand. turn brought the flush and he flatcalled, then fired when the 4th to the flush came on the river. he may have bluffed me, but i seriously doubt it. i tend to be a payoff wizard on the end, but that hand seemed easy to lay down.

I didn't see any flaws in the way you played. Though I'm not sure if mutli-tabling is always the best way to go. Sometimes people play too robotic and only play x-cards.

there was a time when i'd play 10-12 tables at once. i wasn't winning...but i've done it. it's quite a bit easier with sngs, where the play is in fact quite robotic all the way through. lately, since PT3, i've been playing 4 tables as standard, and when transitioning out of tables i sometimes have it up to 6. in this arrangement, it's like coming into the batter's box after swinging two bats on deck. i never feel pressed for time or out of control. the only effect of having the other tables is that i maximize my time playing, and end up getting 250 hands an hour instead of 60. i feel like it smooths out my game, and helps me to control my desire to fire on every street of every pot. with 3 other tables up, i usually have a situation going somewhere to pay attention to.

thanks for the railing, irish. say hi next time