[jamby]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7164664234: Table Nye (deep 6) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:28:03 ET - 2008/07/10
Seat 1: Johann0r ($44.05)
Seat 2: Boston_G ($27.65)
Seat 3: sthlm1 ($34.20)
Seat 4: zender ($56.55)
Seat 5: fdv1cent2047 ($26.65)
Seat 6: HungryAndre ($55.15)
HungryAndre posts the small blind of $0.10
Johann0r posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zender [Jh Jc]
Boston_G folds
sthlm1 folds
zender calls $0.25
fdv1cent2047 has 15 seconds left to act
fdv1cent2047 raises to $4
HungryAndre folds
Johann0r folds
zender raises to $8
fdv1cent2047 calls $4
*** FLOP *** [8h Jd 7h]
zender checks
fdv1cent2047 checks
*** TURN *** [8h Jd 7h] [7d]
zender checks
fdv1cent2047 bets $18.65, and is all in
zender calls $18.65
fdv1cent2047 shows [4d 2h]
zender shows [Jh Jc]
*** RIVER *** [8h Jd 7h 7d] [2s]
fdv1cent2047 shows two pair, Sevens and Twos
zender shows a full house, Jacks full of Sevens
zender wins the pot ($51) with a full house, Jacks full of Sevens
fdv1cent2047 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53.65 | Rake $2.65
Board: [8h Jd 7h 7d 2s]
Seat 1: Johann0r (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Boston_G didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: sthlm1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: zender showed [Jh Jc] and won ($51) with a full house, Jacks full of Sevens
Seat 5: fdv1cent2047 (button) showed [4d 2h] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Twos
Seat 6: HungryAndre (small blind) folded before the Flop

[whataboutj]

LOL donk-cash game-a ments!!!!

2-4 off suit - power poker at it's finest

So how many "WTF??" and "????" were there after that hand?

Nice work Zender

[jamby]

Thanks, but congrats aren't really in order. I should probably never have limped with the f'in jacks to begin with. It's just such a crap-shoot playing these games. Trying to ascertain where you stand in a hand is close to impossible at these stakes online. At least for me it is.

Originally Posted by whataboutj

LOL donk-cash game-a ments!!!!

2-4 off suit - power poker at it's finest

So how many "WTF??" and "????" were there after that hand?

Nice work Zender

[jamby]

Another example. I'm just befuddled. It's causing me to play even more passively pre-flop than ever as a result. Raising with big or potentially big hands seems to have little effect.

Full Tilt Poker Game #7166282594: Table List (deep 6) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:48:45 ET - 2008/07/10
Seat 1: AA is too loose ($28.70)
Seat 2: zender ($37.70)
Seat 3: BustedDutch ($56.55)
Seat 4: ryjo1 ($15.25)
Seat 5: Man Of Pi ($24.90)
Seat 6: unprovoked ($55.45)
ryjo1 posts the small blind of $0.10.
Man Of Pi posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zender [Qh Ac]
unprovoked folds
AA is too loose folds
zender calls $0.25
BustedDutch folds
ryjo1 calls $0.15
Man Of Pi raises to $0.50
zender calls $0.25
ryjo1 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5s Qc]
ryjo1 checks
Man Of Pi checks
zender checks
*** TURN *** [Ad 5s Qc] [2h]
ryjo1 checks
Man Of Pi bets $1.50
zender calls $1.50
ryjo1 folds
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5s Qc 2h] [Ah]
Man Of Pi bets $4.50
zender has 15 seconds left to act
zender raises to $13
Man Of Pi raises to $22.90, and is all in
zender calls $9.90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Man Of Pi shows [5d 7d] two pair, Aces and Fives
zender shows [Qh Ac] a full house, Aces full of Queens
zender wins the pot ($47.80) with a full house, Aces full of Queens
Man Of Pi is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.30 | Rake $2.50
Board: [Ad 5s Qc 2h Ah]
Seat 1: AA is too loose didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: zender showed [Qh Ac] and won ($47.80) with a full house, Aces full of Queens
Seat 3: BustedDutch (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: ryjo1 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Man Of Pi (big blind) showed [5d 7d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 6: unprovoked didn't bet (folded)

[whataboutj]

I am confused-- a flopped pair of 5's isn't good when there are a bunch of overs on the board?

Your flop check must have really thrown him off and made him believe you were bluffing the turn and river -- I mean who would ever check a flopped top two pair

I actually saw this exact line of betting when I was playing the NL25 game last night on P*. Enjoy it but be ready to take a bad beat (potentially).

[jamby]

No worries there, I have been burned sooooo many times when two pair don't hold up that I rarely, if ever count on it. Even big bets attempting to protect flopped two-pairs don't seem to make much difference. It seems that many folks just get it in their heads how they're going to play hands based on their hole cards and don't veer from that track. Kind of odd when you consider that there are 5 cards to come potentially.

Originally Posted by whataboutj

Your flop check must have really thrown him off and made him believe you were bluffing the turn and river -- I mean who would ever check a flopped top two pair

I actually saw this exact line of betting when I was playing the NL25 game last night on P*. Enjoy it but be ready to take a bad beat (potentially).

[ipgyst]

Your first opponent was a Level 0 thinker LOL ("What do I have? Who cares!")

[jamby]

I actually play regularly with a guy like that. He firmly believes that showing strength by betting is all that is required to succeed at poker. He does it with good, mediocre and bad cards. He wins lots of money that way. It's a method of play that works really well often against tight players who aren't willing to go all the way with less than the nuts or at least near-nuts.

Originally Posted by ipgyst

Your first opponent was a Level 0 thinker LOL ("What do I have? Who cares!")

[ukyah]

Originally Posted by jamby

I actually play regularly with a guy like that. He firmly believes that showing strength by betting is all that is required to succeed at poker. He does it with good, mediocre and bad cards. He wins lots of money that way. It's a method of play that works really well often against tight players who aren't willing to go all the way with less than the nuts or at least near-nuts.

so how long have you known sam farha?

[jamby]

This time somewhat conventional play by me actually paid off. Please tell me though why oh why anybody would play A-10 offsuit in such a manner? I mean I understand that the player had the button so that counts for something. It's also an Ace and I suppose it might look like a fairly strong one to some. That could possibly explain the very aggressive pre-flop play. Then the flopped gut shot happens and the player thinks that's a sign to turn what could have been a $3 call into a $24 AI. I just don't get it.

Full Tilt Poker Game #7172035279: Table Boodabor (6 max) - $0.15/$0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:21:24 ET - 2008/07/11
Seat 1: zender ($67.40)
Seat 2: egoplyr ($30)
Seat 4: lungman69 ($42.85)
Seat 5: 5oclocksmwhre ($30.10)
Seat 6: hussy22 ($30.40)
hussy22 posts the small blind of $0.15
zender posts the big blind of $0.30
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zender [Kc Kd]
lungman69 calls $0.30
5oclocksmwhre calls $0.30
hussy22 calls $0.15
zender has 15 seconds left to act
zender raises to $1.30
lungman69 folds
5oclocksmwhre raises to $2.30
hussy22 calls $2
zender has 15 seconds left to act
zender raises to $6
5oclocksmwhre calls $3.70
hussy22 has 15 seconds left to act
hussy22 calls $3.70
*** FLOP *** [4c Kh Qd]
hussy22 has 15 seconds left to act
hussy22 bets $3
zender calls $3
5oclocksmwhre raises to $24.10, and is all in
hussy22 has 15 seconds left to act
hussy22 has requested TIME
hussy22 folds
zender calls $21.10
5oclocksmwhre shows [Ad Tc]
zender shows [Kc Kd]
*** TURN *** [4c Kh Qd] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [4c Kh Qd 7h] [4s]
5oclocksmwhre shows a pair of Fours
zender shows a full house, Kings full of Fours
zender wins the pot ($67.50) with a full house, Kings full of Fours
5oclocksmwhre is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $69.50 | Rake $2
Board: [4c Kh Qd 7h 4s]
Seat 1: zender (big blind) showed [Kc Kd] and won ($67.50) with a full house, Kings full of Fours
Seat 2: egoplyr is sitting out
Seat 4: lungman69 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: 5oclocksmwhre (button) showed [Ad Tc] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 6: hussy22 (small blind) folded on the Flop