[Vince]

***** Hand History for Game 19513965 *****
0.05/0.10 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Mon Jul 7 14:31:26 GMT 2008
Table Churchill (10 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: am_pm (€9.60)
Seat 2: Crian (€9.70)
Seat 3: Hellraiser (€5)
Seat 4: andy69 (€0.85)
Seat 5: sfoxxx (€10.60)
Seat 6: Sipo (€11.50)
Seat 7: WaldemarL (€10)
Seat 8: brackibabi (€5.29)
Seat 9: tpg (€8.75)
Seat 10: hemzalovic (€11.45)
andy69 : Small Blind (€0.05)
sfoxxx : Big Blind (€0.10)

Holecards:
Dealt to am_pm [ ]
FOLD Sipo
CALL WaldemarL , €0.10
FOLD brackibabi
FOLD tpg
FOLD hemzalovic
RAISE am_pm , €0.50
CALL Crian , €0.50
RAISE andy69 , €0.85
FOLD sfoxxx
FOLD WaldemarL
CALL am_pm , €0.35 (right here only the call and the fold button appears, I am not able to reraise again.)
CALL Crian , €0.35

Doesn't make much sense to me.

The support said:

"you bet and crian called, so the betting your between you two is over"


and
"you should you reraise again after somebody went all in?"

I said "To isolate the player all in. another example, when somebody with only 2 big blinds goes all in, am I only able to call that one big blind more?"

last reply "that's the rule"

lol

[Sneds]

Vince, what has happened is called an 'under raise'

For example, if I raise to £10 in a 1/2 game preflop and somebody only has £11. They raise £1, but because it's less than the £8 initial raise, it's not actually a full reraise and therefore you can only call.

However, if you raised and there was a cold caller in the middle of you and the player with £11, when it comes round to them - they still have the option to raise it up. Thsi is because they've only called in the action so far.

I often look out for things like this, when I know that a player is short stacked and likely to push all in, I never let myself get in a position on not being able to raise more, I always raise small so their all in becomes a full raise, so i can come back over the top.


Lol, I hope this makes sense.

[Matthew]

Sneds is right.

You raised, had one caller and then another player went all in for less than the minimum re-raise. You can only call at this point, same with your first caller. Main pot is set, now post flop there can be the side pot between you and the original caller.

Did the cowboys hold up?

[TheDuke]

Yeah - what the above posters said. The .35 extra of the all in reraise was not enough to reopen the betting.

I guess it depends on the rules of the poker room that you're playing in (live)/ on (online).

A B&M poker room that I visit on occasion will allow the betting to be reopened if an all in reraise is 50% of the minimum amount (eg. 1st bet is a raise of $20, gets called by one player, reraised all in $10 more to $30 by another, the original raiser and middle caller would have the option of raising again).

[Vince]

but they don't have that rule on full tilt

Full Tilt Poker Game #7122122043: Table Play Chip 441 - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:09:46 ET - 2008/07/07
Platz 1: KARE_1111_K (990) setzt aus
Platz 5: ROTTIKING (1 075)
Platz 7: Vincent_Jones (775)
Platz 8: psysp (1 000)
Platz 9: Zenonas (1 000)
Vincent_Jones setzt das Small Blind von 5
psysp setzt das Big Blind von 10
Noch 5 Sekunden zum Handeln
Zenonas setzt 10
Der Button befindet sich an Platz 5
*** HOLE-KARTEN ***
Karten für Vincent_Jones [ ]
KARE_1111_K ist wieder da
Zenonas hat noch 15 Sekunden zum Handeln
Zenonas raises to 30
ROTTIKING passt
MrKleijnen nimmt Platz
MrKleijnen fügt 1,000 hinzu
Vincent_Jones hat noch 15 Sekunden zum Handeln
Vincent_Jones raises to 775 and is All-In
psysp raises to 1,000 and isAll-In
Zenonas calls 970 and is All-In

[Damon]

Originally Posted by Vince

but they don't have that rule on full tilt

I've believe I've run into that rule on P*.

[CK15c]

Originally Posted by Vince

but they don't have that rule on full tilt

Full Tilt Poker Game #7122122043: Table Play Chip 441 - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:09:46 ET - 2008/07/07
Platz 1: KARE_1111_K (990) setzt aus
Platz 5: ROTTIKING (1 075)
Platz 7: Vincent_Jones (775)
Platz 8: psysp (1 000)
Platz 9: Zenonas (1 000)
Vincent_Jones setzt das Small Blind von 5
psysp setzt das Big Blind von 10
Noch 5 Sekunden zum Handeln
Zenonas setzt 10
Der Button befindet sich an Platz 5
*** HOLE-KARTEN ***
Karten für Vincent_Jones [ ]
KARE_1111_K ist wieder da
Zenonas hat noch 15 Sekunden zum Handeln
Zenonas erhöht auf 30
ROTTIKING passt
MrKleijnen nimmt Platz
MrKleijnen fügt 1,000 hinzu
Vincent_Jones hat noch 15 Sekunden zum Handeln
Vincent_Jones erhöht auf 775 und ist All-In
psysp erhöht auf 1,000 und ist All-In
Zenonas geht mit bei 970 und ist All-In

It's kind of hard for me to follow, but it looks like psysp hadn't acted on his hand, so he can make an under raise. If Vincent had more chips, and the action got back to him without being raised again, he could not raise, only call or fold. Here's an example I'll try to put together:

Player A (50 Chips)
Player B (200 Chips)
Player C (75 Chips)
Player D (1000 Chips)
Player E (800 Chips)
Player D is the Small Blind for 5
Player E is the big blind for 10
Player A Raises All-in for 50
Player B Calls 50
Player C Reraises All-in to 75
Player D Calls
Player E Calls
The action gets back to Player B, who only called the first raise, and he cannot raise, only call or fold. Had Player D or E, who had not acted on their hands, raised, Player B could then raise.

Basically, if you only call, and pass on your opportunity to raise, the betting has to be re-opened for you to raise, and an under-raise does not re-open the betting for those who have already passed on their opportunity to raise.

I hope this was clear. I tried.

[Sneds]

Originally Posted by Vince

but they don't have that rule on full tilt

Full Tilt Poker Game #7122122043: Table Play Chip 441 - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:09:46 ET - 2008/07/07
Platz 1: KARE_1111_K (990) setzt aus
Platz 5: ROTTIKING (1 075)
Platz 7: Vincent_Jones (775)
Platz 8: psysp (1 000)
Platz 9: Zenonas (1 000)
Vincent_Jones setzt das Small Blind von 5
psysp setzt das Big Blind von 10
Noch 5 Sekunden zum Handeln
Zenonas setzt 10
Der Button befindet sich an Platz 5
*** HOLE-KARTEN ***
Karten für Vincent_Jones [ ]
KARE_1111_K ist wieder da
Zenonas hat noch 15 Sekunden zum Handeln
Zenonas erhöht auf 30
ROTTIKING passt
MrKleijnen nimmt Platz
MrKleijnen fügt 1,000 hinzu
Vincent_Jones hat noch 15 Sekunden zum Handeln
Vincent_Jones erhöht auf 775 und ist All-In
psysp erhöht auf 1,000 und ist All-In
Zenonas geht mit bei 970 und ist All-In

I can't really tell whats going on in German, but if I see it right - then MrKleijnen goes all in, Vincent Jones goes all in, psysp goes all in and Zenonas goes all in...

There is no case of a raise and an underaise before the action comes back to the original raiser with him reraising?

[CK15c]

Originally Posted by TheDuke

Yeah - what the above posters said. The .35 extra of the all in reraise was not enough to reopen the betting.

I guess it depends on the rules of the poker room that you're playing in (live)/ on (online).

A B&M poker room that I visit on occasion will allow the betting to be reopened if an all in reraise is 50% of the minimum amount (eg. 1st bet is a raise of $20, gets called by one player, reraised all in $10 more to $30 by another, the original raiser and middle caller would have the option of raising again).

In a tournament at a local casino, someone bet 1000 (raising the big blind of 200, so 800 raise), another called, and someone went all-in for 1100, a 100 raise. The guy who called the 1000 bet, proceeded to raise all-in, and the other guy called. I wasn't in the hand, I just kind of let it go, and was surprised no one said anything. I went up to the pit boss, and chatted about it. His explanation was, "it's no limit." Pfft! Incidentally, I hardly ever play there any more, not so much for this, but this didn't help.

[Freelancer72]

Originally Posted by TheDuke

Yeah - what the above posters said. The .35 extra of the all in reraise was not enough to reopen the betting.

I guess it depends on the rules of the poker room that you're playing in (live)/ on (online).

A B&M poker room that I visit on occasion will allow the betting to be reopened if an all in reraise is 50% of the minimum amount (eg. 1st bet is a raise of $20, gets called by one player, reraised all in $10 more to $30 by another, the original raiser and middle caller would have the option of raising again).

that half or more rule is for limit poker, not no limit poker.

the poker site did it correctly. if it's not a full bet you're facing, you can only call.