[tonypap]

I've only recently started playing online...just about a few weeks now. So far, what I've found is that online poker sites are havens for bad beats and sick hands. Yesterday alone, 5 times I had KK, raised...oponent reraises, I push they call and had AA...and felted me. I kid you not, that happened 5 times yesterday in about 3 hours of play. Can you honestly fold KK? Maybe my mistake has been pushing all in after being reraised. Anyway, here's a hand from a tourney I just got felted on when I had AA. Being a "noob" in the online poker world, any/all feedback is appreciated, even if you're going to bash my play.


PokerStars Game #18286206529: Tournament #92884956, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/06/21 - 13:51:04 (ET)
Table '92884956 13' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Batbrut (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: simpleplain9 (1410 in chips)
Seat 3: valjoli (1410 in chips)
Seat 4: PoderGalego (2910 in chips)
Seat 5: dmp613 (170 in chips)
Seat 6: First Knight (1720 in chips)
Seat 7: gregcalls (1640 in chips)
Seat 8: tonypap (1360 in chips)
Seat 9: Visslard (1410 in chips)
Batbrut: posts small blind 15
simpleplain9: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tonypap [Ah Ad]
valjoli: folds
PoderGalego: folds
dmp613: raises 140 to 170 and is all-in
First Knight: folds
gregcalls: raises 140 to 310
tonypap: raises 320 to 630
Visslard: folds
Batbrut: folds
simpleplain9: raises 780 to 1410 and is all-in
PoderGalego is disconnected
gregcalls: raises 230 to 1640 and is all-in
tonypap: calls 730 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (230) returned to gregcalls
*** FLOP *** [8d 6s 3s]
*** TURN *** [8d 6s 3s] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [8d 6s 3s Qc] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
simpleplain9: shows [Kc Ac] (a pair of Sixes)
gregcalls: shows [Qh Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Sixes)
gregcalls collected 100 from side pot-2
tonypap: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
gregcalls collected 3570 from side pot-1
dmp613: shows [Ts Ks] (a pair of Sixes)
gregcalls collected 695 from main pot
BKBITTERBOY is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4365 Main pot 695. Side pot-1 3570. Side pot-2 100. | Rake 0
Board [8d 6s 3s Qc 6h]
Seat 1: Batbrut (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: simpleplain9 (big blind) showed [Kc Ac] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 3: valjoli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: PoderGalego folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dmp613 showed [Ts Ks] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 6: First Knight folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: gregcalls showed [Qh Qs] and won (4365) with a full house, Queens full of Sixes
Seat 8: tonypap showed [Ah Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 9: Visslard (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[EmptyPocs]

so you are joining the "online is fixed" club?

[tonypap]

Originally Posted by EmptyPocs

so you are joining the "online is fixed" club?

Oh, I've been a member of that club LONG before I started playing online. I've just been really bored lately and can't seem to get enough players together for a home game, so I just tried to soothe the itch....you know, when you got the bug, you just wanna play!

[abby99]

Originally Posted by tonypap

...I just tried to soothe the itch....you know, when you got the bug, you just gotta play!

FYP.

[osumike11379]

That's a dream hand gone horribly wrong - all ins and a bunch of action in front of you with AA - can't ask for more than that - not that it would have helped on this hand but one thing I would recommend:

if you are going to RR make sure it is at least 3X the raise in front of you - if that raise puts in 60% of more of your chips go ahead and shove all in - you want to push to isolate as opposed to going multi-way as the more people in means less chance of you taking it down
as far as running into AA 5 times with KK thats pretty crappy but it happens...if you play online expect to take stupid beats on a regular basis - the more you take the less they will effect you - I used to be a tilty machine but a few months of getting my soul crushed in almost every imaginable way makes you get over the beats faster. But back to KK - IMHO very rarely (if ever?) is it a mistake to get it all in with KK preflop - you should post those hands as well

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by osumike11379

That's a dream hand gone horribly wrong - all ins and a bunch of action in front of you with AA - can't ask for more than that - not that it would have helped on this hand but one thing I would recommend:

if you are going to RR make sure it is at least 3X the raise in front of you - if that raise puts in 60% of more of your chips go ahead and shove all in - you want to push to isolate as opposed to going multi-way as the more people in means less chance of you taking it down
as far as running into AA 5 times with KK thats pretty crappy but it happens...if you play online expect to take stupid beats on a regular basis - the more you take the less they will effect you - I used to be a tilty machine but a few months of getting my soul crushed in almost every imaginable way makes you get over the beats faster. But back to KK - IMHO very rarely (if ever?) is it a mistake to get it all in with KK preflop - you should post those hands as well

good post. that advice sounds oddly familiar...

your kings should run into aces at a full table about 1/20 times you get them. if you're saying it happened 5 times in a row, then...that'd be 1/20^5, which is worse than one in 3 million. if that happened to me, i'd be bummed. i'm going to lean towards "tony's slightly exaggerating b/c he's peeved".

the thing about randomness, is that it often doesn't seem very random. (here's one article of many online about ipod random function and the way it fools our primitive human brains link) mike's advice about playing tons to start to really feel it even out, and to get over the "it's riggedness" is good. if you seriously think it's rigged, i'd additionally advise you not put your money in harm's way.

[tonypap]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

good post. that advice sounds oddly familiar...

your kings should run into aces at a full table about 1/20 times you get them. if you're saying it happened 5 times in a row, then...that'd be 1/20^5, which is worse than one in 3 million. if that happened to me, i'd be bummed. i'm going to lean towards "tony's slightly exaggerating b/c he's peeved".

the thing about randomness, is that it often doesn't seem very random. (here's one article of many online about ipod random function and the way it fools our primitive human brains link) mike's advice about playing tons to start to really feel it even out, and to get over the "it's riggedness" is good. if you seriously think it's rigged, i'd additionally advise you not put your money in harm's way.

Thanks for the advice and the article. As for KK vs. AA...I'm not exaggerating. I didn't say it happened in a row, I said it happened 5 times in about 3 hours of play. I guess I'll add it was at different tables. But again, not exaggerating.

As for actually thinking it's "rigged," I don't truly beleive this, but of course everyone likes to have "an excuse!"

[tonypap]

Originally Posted by osumike11379

That's a dream hand gone horribly wrong - all ins and a bunch of action in front of you with AA - can't ask for more than that...

YOU AINT KIDDING!

Originally Posted by osumike11379

...not that it would have helped on this hand but one thing I would recommend:

if you are going to RR make sure it is at least 3X the raise in front of you - if that raise puts in 60% of more of your chips go ahead and shove all in - you want to push to isolate as opposed to going multi-way as the more people in means less chance of you taking it down
as far as running into AA 5 times with KK thats pretty crappy but it happens...if you play online expect to take stupid beats on a regular basis - the more you take the less they will effect you - I used to be a tilty machine but a few months of getting my soul crushed in almost every imaginable way makes you get over the beats faster. But back to KK - IMHO very rarely (if ever?) is it a mistake to get it all in with KK preflop - you should post those hands as well

This is great advice, THANKS! I'm sure it will take some time to find a comfort zone for online play. Problem is, I get bored playing online and am not disciplined enough to quit while I'm ahead.

[SuckoutKing]

I will never play online poker. Its not regulated and in my opinion is rigid. I am sure you have heard about the Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet Scandal. Thats all I am saying. I know its convenient but I still won't do it.

Thats just me.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by tonypap

Thanks for the advice and the article. As for KK vs. AA...I'm not exaggerating. I didn't say it happened in a row, I said it happened 5 times in about 3 hours of play. I guess I'll add it was at different tables. But again, not exaggerating.

how many tables do you play. at about 60 hands per hour, we might be talking only 200 hands here. since you only get kk about 1/200 hands, the fact that you got it five times might be an additional story :*