[imthatguy]

Playing a $5 PLO tonight, we're down to 20 of 144, Top 15 get paid. This happens:

Full Tilt Poker Game #4877476899: Double Stack $5 + $0.50 (36926684), Table 12 - 400/800 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 1:24:49 ET - 2008/01/16
Seat 1: inthedriverseat (11,626)
Seat 2: squeakmidge (19,754)
Seat 3: MONKEY INC (2,816)
Seat 4: Andy I (33,154)
Seat 6: RusTTrombone (10,672)
Seat 7: _imthatguy_ (9,103)
Seat 9: 1stChoicePete (17,615)
RusTTrombone posts the small blind of 400
_imthatguy_ posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to _imthatguy_ [5h Ks Kc 2h]
1stChoicePete folds
inthedriverseat raises to 2,800
squeakmidge folds
MONKEY INC folds
Andy I calls 2,800
RusTTrombone folds
_imthatguy_ raises to 9,103, and is all in
inthedriverseat raises to 11,626, and is all in
Andy I calls 8,826
inthedriverseat shows [4c 6c Ac Qh]
Andy I shows [7h Ts 9d 8h]
_imthatguy_ shows [5h Ks Kc 2h]
*** FLOP *** [2d 4h 4d]
*** TURN *** [2d 4h 4d] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [2d 4h 4d Td] [3s]
inthedriverseat shows three of a kind, Fours
Andy I shows two pair, Tens and Fours
inthedriverseat wins the side pot (5,046) with three of a kind, Fours
_imthatguy_ shows two pair, Kings and Fours
inthedriverseat wins the main pot (27,709) with three of a kind, Fours
_imthatguy_ stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 32,755 Main pot 27,709. Side pot 5,046. | Rake 0
Board: [2d 4h 4d Td 3s]
Seat 1: inthedriverseat showed [4c 6c Ac Qh] and won (32,755) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: squeakmidge didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: MONKEY INC didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Andy I (button) showed [7h Ts 9d 8h] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 6: RusTTrombone (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: _imthatguy_ (big blind) showed [5h Ks Kc 2h] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 9: 1stChoicePete didn't bet (folded)

[ipgyst]

Well, you weren't the favorite.

pokenum -mc 500000 -o 4c 6c ac qh - 7h ts 9d 8h - 5h ks kc 2h
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 6c 4c Qh 155529 31.11 344471 68.89 0 0.00 0.311
Ts 9d 8h 7h 199082 39.82 300918 60.18 0 0.00 0.398
Ks Kc 5h 2h 145389 29.08 354611 70.92 0 0.00 0.291

But at least you didn't think you were playing Omaha-8 like [Ac 6c 4c Qh] guy did.

[Colquhoun]

Originally Posted by ipgyst

Well, you weren't the favorite.

True, he wasn't the favorite....until after he got called. First one all-in with Kings is fine. You are weighing the chance that you might not even see a flop, against being called by something better. Being called by TWO others is where it really got messy.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by ipgyst

Well, you weren't the favorite.

pokenum -mc 500000 -o 4c 6c ac qh - 7h ts 9d 8h - 5h ks kc 2h
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 6c 4c Qh 155529 31.11 344471 68.89 0 0.00 0.311
Ts 9d 8h 7h 199082 39.82 300918 60.18 0 0.00 0.398
Ks Kc 5h 2h 145389 29.08 354611 70.92 0 0.00 0.291

But at least you didn't think you were playing Omaha-8 like [Ac 6c 4c Qh] guy did.

That's just a horrible call IMO though I am surprised to see that he's a slight favorite over you. First off the raise and then the call/all-in with one left to act. Even in H/L that's very questionable given his stack size. He could have fold and still had more than 10bb left though maybe he felt he was pot committed especially if he figured Andy would call.

[imthatguy]

Originally Posted by hachkc

That's just a horrible call IMO though I am surprised to see that he's a slight favorite over you. First off the raise and then the call/all-in with one left to act. Even in H/L that's very questionable given his stack size. He could have fold and still had more than 10bb left though maybe he felt he was pot committed especially if he figured Andy would call.

Two things he said afterwards kind of steamed me. "Booooooooooommmmmm!" (like he's some sort of poker savant) was the first thing, "I didn't think anybody was going to call..." was the other. I can see being slightly behind, but in Omaha, aren't hands like his pretty stupid to push with, especially given his position?

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

Two things he said afterwards kind of steamed me. "Booooooooooommmmmm!" (like he's some sort of poker savant) was the first thing, "I didn't think anybody was going to call..." was the other. I can see being slightly behind, but in Omaha, aren't hands like his pretty stupid to push with, especially given his position?

Pushing with it is one thing but calling an all-in with it is just stupid IMO. If he figures Andy will call, he's getting the right price in hindsight to push so maybe he is an Omaha savant and can think at a level far above most of us.

[byline9]

I thought Andy had a lot of possibilities with his hand, interesting to see that the math bears that out...

I have NO idea what driversseat was doing, pushing with that garbage...truly a bad beat.

You might not have been a favorite but KK was not a bad hand to push with there -- a good chance everyone else folds (although I might have called if I were Andy.)

[jdunford]

Here's my take on it:

First, I thought, "Matty, what the heck are you doing? That's an auto-fold pre-flop! And Inthedriverseat has you crushed!"
Then I realized it was PLO and not PLO8.

Second take... well, it's actually pretty obvious. Inthedriverseat's Mom just yelled to him that it's past his bedtime (it is a school night after all). He replied, "Just a sec' Mom!" and pushed all-in on the very next hand when he heard her footsteps coming up the stairs.

Andy has a pretty solid hand, but enough to call two all-ins? I don't know; maybe he was thinking in terms of maximizing the probably of busting somebody out... Beats me.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by jdunford

Andy has a pretty solid hand, but enough to call two all-ins? I don't know; maybe he was thinking in terms of maximizing the probably of busting somebody out... Beats me.

He's getting over 3:1 at this point and even if he loses, he still has over 20k at the 400/800 level. Even against a top hand like AAJTds, he's only 2:1.

[PhilTheThrill14]

I personally wouldn't have pushed. The only thing you have is a pair of Kings - no real draws of any kind. If one of them was suited - then maybe I would push.