[aquaman]

Or would I have? Playing online, we've all folded preflop, then get upset when the flop would have hit us hard. But, is that how it works? My understanding is that the undealt cards are always in "flux:" the RNG doesn't determine the cards until it's time to deal the next card. Does anyone know if this is correct?

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by aquaman

Or would I have? Playing online, we've all folded preflop, then get upset when the flop would have hit us hard. But, is that how it works? My understanding is that the undealt cards are always in "flux:" the RNG doesn't determine the cards until it's time to deal the next card. Does anyone know if this is correct?

i read up on this ages ago on 2+2.

what i remember (but could be wrong): party has a preset deal, and p* has a constant shuffle. that was pre-FTP, so i dunno what they do.

[stardust]

Originally Posted by aquaman

Or would I have? Playing online, we've all folded preflop, then get upset when the flop would have hit us hard. But, is that how it works? My understanding is that the undealt cards are always in "flux:" the RNG doesn't determine the cards until it's time to deal the next card. Does anyone know if this is correct?

The most common implementation would be to prepare a pre-shuffled deck for each hand. Online sites may deviate from this approach, but it wouldn't make sense. The quality of the randomness does not change when using the same PRG source. So the flop and all further cards would be fixed just when the hands starts, exactly as they would be in an offline game.

[mike33]

Please don't take this the wrong way...I'm not trying to be a jacka^^. You probably know this already, anyway, and are just venting.

You can't torture yourself over these kinds of things. You make your preflop decision to play your hand/position, bluff your hand/position or fold. If you fold, just forget what you were holding, and concentrate on what the other players are holding. If you start second guessing yourself like you're talking about, you'll go nuts and maybe start making bad decisions.

Saying that, I think almost everyone does this once in awhile; myself included. It's just the nature of the mind and you have to learn to ignore it. The more I play this game, the more I find I need more patience. Fortunately for me, I've had some experiences in life that forced me to learn how to "take a breath and just let it go."

Sorry if I sounded preachy, but it sounded like you needed to hear it

[links_slayer]

Originally Posted by mike33

"take a breath and just let it go."

Serenity now!!!

I know what you're saying. Less than an hour ago I fold T6o UTG and the flop comes TT6. Cool. Whatever though. I feel that I made the right decision at the time. I'll live with it.

Very interesting though about the "randomness" of the cards. The idea of a constant shuffle sounds odd to me, but it was a long day and I need another Captian and Coke.

[mike33]

Originally Posted by links_slayer

I need another Captian and Coke.

That works even better sometimes

[aquaman]

Originally Posted by mike33

but it sounded like you needed to hear it

Nah, I don't think so anyway. Just looking to see if someone knew the answer. I don't think I'll ever be able to resist watching the outcome of a hand with my mucked cards in mind. It's just that, in a live game, the answer is clear. The cards that are dealt, are the cards that are dealt...no questions. Online, not so sure. My friend hates it when I tell him that the cards wouldn't be the same if he took a split second longer to make his decision. It just takes some of the fun out of it (for me anyway). I think if it was a static deck once the first card was dealt, there would be too much of a security risk. Someone would be able to hack in and see how the cards were gonna fall.

[mike33]

I thought that might be what you were saying after reading your post again. Guess I got ahead of myself with the subject title.

My bad!

[AlbinoDragon]

It is cases like this why I make it a point to forget what I folded. I find I spend too much time playing "what-if" and then my game tanks pretty seriously... sort of a form of mini-tilt.

As is, when I'm out of a hand (B&M) I wind up looking at and studying the other players at the table trying to pick up tells.

[stardust]

Originally Posted by aquaman

I think if it was a static deck once the first card was dealt, there would be too much of a security risk. Someone would be able to hack in and see how the cards were gonna fall.

If someone is able to hack in and access the deck it's too late anyway (regarding security).

The advantage of a non-static deck is that you could not predict which random permutation of a deck was generated if the PRG is weak based on your hole cards (you can join with multiple clients to get more hole cards). But since all these poker sites claim to have their PRG verified and tested for indistinguishability from a real RNG this shouldn't be a problem.