[beekeeper]

Originally Posted by legend

Bill Belichick uses it, so it must be ethical.

I was going to call you bitter, but you're from Boston!

Professional sports have competition committees that regulate issues of fairness. Does poker, or on line poker, have anything like this?

[legend]

oh you get the joke......goooood

[99%evil]

I don't play online seriously...so I'm not bothering.

The question is, can you play without it? IF not... (fill in your own insult). If you need these programs...are really even playing poker?

[whataboutj]

Interesting topic/thread. I haven't used PT yet. I've thought about it, but haven't taken the plunge yet. Is ti still an option to get through PSO?

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by 99%evil

The question is, can you play without it? IF not... (fill in your own insult). If you need these programs...are really even playing poker?

i tried to play without it once, but i couldn't find the fold button. i was so confused!!!

are you listening to yourself?

[hod]

Originally Posted by AceDeuceNoUse

Is it "cheating"? Not in the technical sense, as you do not have a lock on what your opponent's next action will be, regardless of his past behavior.

Is it unethical, or perhaps against the true spirit of the game? Depends upon your ethics. It is poker, after all.

I think that sums it up nicely.

[99%evil]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

i tried to play without it once, but i couldn't find the fold button. i was so confused!!!

are you listening to yourself?

Yes I'm listening to me.
I'm also trying to cause trouble at the same time...it's what I do.

I'm actually a bit serious(10% serious, 90% just trying to piss people off)...I'm sure there are people that rely too heavily on the data they get...if you can't put it to practical use live...then frankly I don't think you're playing poker...you might as well hit the BJ table.

[Sea Vulture]

My position on this is that it IS cheating, or at least, unethical. I am a believer that if you can't use it while playing at a B&M Poker table, you shouldn't be able to use it while playing on line.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by Sea Vulture

My position on this is that it IS cheating, or at least, unethical. I am a believer that if you can't use it while playing at a B&M Poker table, you shouldn't be able to use it while playing on line.

No offense but that's a pretty simplistic view of things. Technology causes things to evolve and change. Sometimes these are good and sometimes they are bad. Everyone has the same level of access whether they choose to use it or not is up to them.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by Sea Vulture

My position on this is that it IS cheating, or at least, unethical. I am a believer that if you can't use it while playing at a B&M Poker table, you shouldn't be able to use it while playing on line.

i can't use a mouse at the b&m table. also can't use my browser to read email while i play.

see, playing on the computer is different. accepting that is the first step.