What's your sweet-spot for % of hands played in passive low-stakes online NLHE?

TheMightyJim2k · #11 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jamby

Thanks Jim. I've heard of the VPIP so that makes sense now. Could I ask what software you use to track such metrics? I'm assuming you do use something.

pokertracker. don't leave home without it. (seriously it is a must if you play even semi regularly above micro stakes)

Poboy · #12 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 07:09 PM

Pokertracker is great, but there's a new one coming called HoldEm Manager that is supposed to have more/better stats available.

scottwire · #13 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Poboy

Pokertracker is great, but there's a new one coming called HoldEm Manager that is supposed to have more/better stats available.

Version 3 of pokertracker is coming out soon and will have a lot more features than it has now.

jamby · #14 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 07:31 PM

It sounds like any of the above would be better than what I'm doing now, which is basically nothing but the little P* 'stats' window.

dad604 · #15 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 08:55 PM

I have played around with Poker Office, Poker Tracker, Poker Evolver, Poker Manager. While they all do bascially the same thing, Poker Tracker is the one for me. PT is the grandfather of the tracking software and has the most support base. PT3 should be release by the end of the year. I highly recommend buying PT, I know it has more than pay for itself with the extra info it give me. It looks like PT3 is a combine effort by both PokerTracker Pat and PokerAce Josh and both has given supreme spport for any problems in their forums.

PT3 is suppose to come integrated with Poker Ace HUD but you can opt out from purchase PokerAce HUD but a HUD is almost a necessary with me. You can wait a month or two to buy the new PT3 or buy the present version of PT now and they will give you a big discount when PT3 is released.

You can try all the above for a free trial period, either 30 days or 1000 hands.

Here is couple of links to 2+2 regarding Poker Manager and PT3.

The 2+2 Forums: PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

The 2+2 Forums: New Software: Holdem Manager

Savior17 · #16 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jamby

It sounds like any of the above would be better than what I'm doing now, which is basically nothing but the little P* 'stats' window.

PT has really helped me plug leaks and is definitely worth the investment. I thought I was playing TAGGY, but I was really playing loose passive. I made adjustments to my opening hand requirements and position and got my stats to 23/12. My VP$P and PFR basically double from UTG to OTB. PT also helped me identify the hands that I was opening with, but never winning with and basically check/folding - I was giving away $$. I was also defending my blinds way too much.

Poboy · #17 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scottwire

Version 3 of pokertracker is coming out soon and will have a lot more features than it has now.

I heard about that. HEM is putting the squeeze on PT I think. If PT3 charges people who already bought PT (which I suspect it might) for the upgrade, I'll probably switch to HEM. As is PT has so many holes in it, it's less useful than it could be.

jamby · #18 (**permalink**) 11-08-2007, 05:24 PM

Thanks for all the excellent feedback guys. What kind of holes does PokerTracker have in the current release?

I have nothing so would like to remedy that by purchasing something that's best in class.

dad604 · #19 (**permalink**) 11-08-2007, 06:47 PM

Some of the stuff in the current PT that should be improved in PT3 would be stuff such as 3/4 bets, HUD is intregrated into main program instead of separate, and hopefully for me, able to support the sites I play on that now need a separate hand grabber. Others are more customizing features as where to put pop-up buttons, etc.

Alto I am looking forward to PT3, most of the new features not that important to me, it might be more useful to the more/higher stakes players. I lean towards PT vs HEM because PT is more mature (years vs startup for HEM) and for now PT supports so many sites. HEM does not support the main site I play on. While HEM seem to give good support to any question, it is only for a short while while PT has given great support over years.

According to the PT site, while it is not set in stone, if you buy PT now, you should only have to pay a very small amount if any to upgrade to PT3. For those that had PT longer, the discount will be less. As PT Pat has said, those that had purchased the original PT never had to pay anything for the upgrade to PT2.

HEM is in beta and it is free to use for now so give it a try and also PT/PA is free to use for 1000 hands. I suggest using the free trial period. You have nothing to lose. I think both are excellent and will more than pay for itself if you play anything higher than micro limit. Using the HUD while playing will tend to win you some hands that you might not otherwise win and using it after you have finish playing to find leaks and mistakes in your game will improve your skill for the next game.

Poboy · #20 (**permalink**) 11-11-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jamby

Thanks for all the excellent feedback guys. What kind of holes does PokerTracker have in the current release?

Sorry, I missed that. One thing I don't like is the way the aggression factor is calculated (bet+raise/call). I don't think it's really that accurate a gauge of AF. Another thing is that the numbers don't always tell the right story. Your stats can be in line with a certain way of playing (like TAG for ex), but still might not mean you're playing well. I also sometimes find it difficult to use interface-wise.