[ipgyst]

Joined: 10th of July, 2007
Posts: 1000 as of this one
Gross money spent: $790 (don't know the net, but I've sold some stuff)

Had a lot of fun so far. Started an M2M or two. Ran a mini group buy for some Protege Supplementals (one paid-for-but-unwanted-now sample set available - PM me). Nice place. I think I'll stick around. I also think I'll save up for some BCC hotstamps so I can get some of their chips that aren't the 11 "allowed" colors. I hope a lot that they can get their 5spot and 7spot punches working nicely - I LOVE those edgespots.

I'm playing a little better at microstakes. I think. Let's see what you guys would do:

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Ultimate Bet 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, K.
UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.40 SB) A, K, 2 (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero ???
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What are the factors in your decision? SB must have had absolute junk to fold with 4 callers plus me in the pot - those are 27-3 odds, nice. (SB is .02)

[littlebu]

I don't respect limpers pf. I would have raised it pf to try and take the dead money. From there the hand plays a lot different to.

[ipgyst]

Originally Posted by littlebu

I don't respect limpers pf. I would have raised it pf to try and take the dead money. From there the hand plays a lot different to.

At this table I might have gotten 1 fold, 2 tops. KQo needs to see a cheap flop here, so that's how I played it, plus my hand is disguised. You're right that it is doubtful anybody has a respectable hand like AJs or TT, but raising might not be +EV here.

[littlebu]

Problem is your OOP and KQ makes lots of second best hands that may end up costing you a lot of money.

Edit: My raising standards in these types of situations is pretty light. I should note though that I'm used to 6 max. FR I still think this is a raise a lot of the time.

Originally Posted by ipgyst

At this table I might have gotten 1 fold, 2 tops. KQo needs to see a cheap flop here, so that's how I played it, plus my hand is disguised. You're right that it is doubtful anybody has a respectable hand like AJs or TT, but raising might not be +EV here.

[ipgyst]

Originally Posted by littlebu

Problem is your OOP and KQ makes lots of second best hands that may end up costing you a lot of money.

Edit: My raising standards in these types of situations is pretty light. I should note though that I'm used to 6 max. FR I still think this is a raise a lot of the time.

True. I should have mentioned that I'm going almost strictly Sklansky-SSHE until I know when to deviate. KQo is a call here according to SSHE, so I really had no reasoning I was just reading a chart. SSHE tells you to focus on post-flop play, because that's where you can really make/lose your money if you play well/suck a$$.

[dad604]

Congrats on your 1000.

At the usual 6 max tables I play, I would raise to narrow the field and whether I hit the K or not, I would FCB. I don't know if that would work at the microlimits.

[ipgyst]

Originally Posted by dad604

Congrats on your 1000.

At the usual 6 max tables I play, I would raise to narrow the field and whether I hit the K or not, I would FCB. I don't know if that would work at the microlimits.

At the full ring microlimits, at least the ones I've been playing, you have to show the best hand to win. If the flop is K74 and you have A4s and play aggressively, somebody with a 7 is calling you all the way to the river almost every time.

I decided to call. I've only got 5 outs, but there are 6.4SB in the pot and there will be more. At least one person has played ace-rag here, because there is always somebody who plays ace-rag here. If I hit, I slam the accelerator, and if I miss, I hit the brake and probably fold to a bet on the turn.

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Flop: (5.40 SB) A, K, 2 (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) Q (5 players)
Hero ???
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I hit, what now? Remember "Hero is BB with Q, K"

[Poboy]

I think the limp prf is fine, the call is fine, and your turn check call is fine.

[ipgyst]

Originally Posted by Poboy

I think the limp prf is fine, the call is fine, and your turn check call is fine.

Thanks. But I did not check-call the turn, I check-raised.
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Q, K.
UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.40 SB) A, K, 2 (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) Q (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls.

River: (11.20 BB) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

Results in white below:
Button has Jd As (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qc Kh (two pair, kings and queens).
UTG has 8d Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.20 BB.
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After four checks on the turn and a continuation bet from the button (flop bettor), I thought it was pretty obvious that people had squadoosh, weak draws, or ace-rag. I was still wary of scary cards like aces, jacks, and tens on the river, but the 6h could only help A6, so I bet and collected from a couple paired aces.

How did I do? In hindsight, I can't tell whether raising preflop would have helped or not. I got lucky on the turn, but the price was right.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by ipgyst

Thanks. But I did not check-call the turn, I check-raised.
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After four checks on the turn and a continuation bet from the button (flop bettor), I thought it was pretty obvious that people had squadoosh, weak draws, or ace-rag. I was still wary of scary cards like aces, jacks, and tens on the river, but the 6h could only help A6, so I bet and collected from a couple paired aces.

How did I do? In hindsight, I can't tell whether raising preflop would have helped or not. I got lucky on the turn, but the price was right.

Luckily you picked up UTG, but by check raising, you faced UTG, MP, and CO with two BBs. It's an isolating check raise, most often going to knock them out and get 1 more BB from the button. I think trying to pick up 3 BBs from the others is better. If UTG were the bettor, then you would want to check raise because UTG would bet, get called by someone else, and then you raise them both.

Been a while since I played limit though.