Email from AP re refund

dad604 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 05:04 PM

Absolute Poker regrets to inform you that as a result of a security breach in our system, one player had access to an unfair advantage while playing the following poker tournament: 1871011.

Absolute Poker has reimbursed to your poker account an amount to compensate you for potential losses resulting from this unfortunate incident.

Please be assured that we have corrected the problem that allowed the system to be unfairly manipulated. We remain committed to the highest levels of security, privacy and integrity.

This breach was exploited in several other tournaments and during some ring game play. We are in the process of auditing these records, and will pay for all losses suffered by the affected players in these other games as soon as these amounts are determined.

The unfair player has been deleted from the tournament standings.

Accordingly, the amount that we have refunded to your account includes all of the following:

. The tournament buy-in

. The tournament fee

. Any additional prize amount that you are entitled to as result of moving you up one tournament place if the unfair player finished in a spot higher than you

. Interest on the refund in the amount of 10% per annum.

We thank you for your continued support.

Wylecoyo · #2 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 05:07 PM

Not too bad I guess, but I thought I heard something (most likely a "rumor") about them paying $500 or so to everyone involved, including those who "watched" the tournament.

ipgyst · #3 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wylecoyo

Not too bad I guess, but I thought I heard something (most likely a "rumor") about them paying $500 or so to everyone involved, including those who "watched" the tournament.

You're assuming that there was only one tournament that was compromised.

We are going to find out all sorts of goodies before this is over. AP is doing the right thing by fixing all of them.

The $500 payout for watchers of the POTRIPPER tourney is straight from AP (check the article at pokernews, and I am sure it is at pocketfives as well).

NoFear · #4 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 05:38 PM

I don't play online and here is my take on AP. It is not about reimburse and doing the right thing, it about integrity which all this time they have been cheating. Make things even worst it's CEO, partner, and VP manager are the one profiting. Furthermore, hadn't someone from AP didn't send the wrong file, who knows how long these guys will continue to profit from online players. Really bad.

Online poker will never be the same. IMO....

jamby · #5 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 05:57 PM

I tend to agree. This is about as bad as it gets for online gaming.

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Online poker will never be the same. IMO....

ipgyst · #6 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jamby

I tend to agree. This is about as bad as it gets for online gaming.

What? That some greedy and mostly-unregulated profiteers tried to pull off a corporate scam in a new industry? I'm surprised it hasn't happened before now. If anything, this screams for the US govt to get involved and regulate things.

There is not one new industry that didn't have somebody come along and cheat to get more than his share. We expected online poker to be different? It's part of the growing process. Yes it is bad that these morons did this, but it's not unexpected and it's not the end of the world. It would be horrible if we found out that most big poker sites were doing it - that would be something to worry about.

jamby · #7 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 06:31 PM

Online gaming is completely different from other industries and can't be equated to them. Gaming, by it's very nature, must be perceived to be honest and fair to all comers to be accepted by the masses and this is what online gaming sites were able to achieve in this new-to-Internet world of ours. I fear they've lost that now and doubt seriously that a full recovery can take place. I'm not suggesting gaming sites will go away, just that they won't be accepted by the masses any longer, i.e. not advertised as heavily on mainstream networks.

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We expected online poker to be different?...

jbones · #8 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ipgyst

What? That some greedy and mostly-unregulated profiteers tried to pull off a corporate scam in a new industry? I'm surprised it hasn't happened before now. If anything, this screams for the US govt to get involved and regulate things.

There is not one new industry that didn't have somebody come along and cheat to get more than his share. We expected online poker to be different? It's part of the growing process. Yes it is bad that these morons did this, but it's not unexpected and it's not the end of the world. It would be horrible if we found out that most big poker sites were doing it - that would be something to worry about.

You don't seem to understand that govt regulation is a horrible thing for online poker, or that gambling is illegal in most of this country. You also don't seem to understand that the fact that only one instance of this type of cheating was caught means it's extremely possible that it's happening elsewhere, if in lesser forms. There's NOTHINg good about this except that those involved will be compensated. Sorry if I'm coming off like an a-hole, but let's be serious here.

PhilTheThrill14 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jamby

Online gaming is completely different from other industries and can't be equated to them. Gaming, by it's very nature, must be perceived to be honest and fair to all comers to be accepted by the masses and this is what online gaming sites were able to achieve in this new-to-Internet world of ours. I fear they've lost that now and doubt seriously that a full recovery can take place. I'm not suggesting gaming sites will go away, just that they won't be accepted by the masses any longer, i.e. not advertised as heavily on mainstream networks.

See the Stock Market for a perfect example. People know there are all sorts of scams and foul play - and yet still play the game.

jbones · #10 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14

See the Stock Market for a perfect example. People know there are all sorts of scams and foul play - and yet still play the game.

Online gambling is different (worse) because it is not regulated in any way, and because the people who will still continue to play either
A. will still make money anyway or
B. are addicted to gambling