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10-25-2007, 06:02 PM
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10-25-2007, 06:32 PM
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I'm not sure how to reply - you say so many different things, but nothing really specific - and then you change what you say....it really makes for having a poor argument.
You said:
"For reference, here are the forms of legalized gambling in the United States:
Introduction of Gambling in the United States"
"Gambling is illegal. Agreed"
"Everybody knows that currently only sports betting online is illegal"
"Outside of Brick and Mortar casinos, gambling is illegal in virtually every state in this country"
"Online sports betting is, at the moment, the only explicitly illegal form of online gaming" |
10-25-2007, 08:31 PM
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Alright, I give up. Try actually reading anything about poker legislation like you said you had, you'll see that everything I've said is precisely correct and only seems contradictory because you take every little detail completely out of context. Nice use of your time, thanks for not even having an argument of your own and continually arguing with facts backed by evidence. It's simply stunning how utterly clueless you could be about laws pertaining to activities you obviously participate in, in the country you live in. |
10-26-2007, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jbones  Alright, I give up. Try actually reading anything about poker legislation like you said you had, you'll see that everything I've said is precisely correct and only seems contradictory because you take every little detail completely out of context. Nice use of your time, thanks for not even having an argument of your own and continually arguing with facts backed by evidence. It's simply stunning how utterly clueless you could be about laws pertaining to activities you obviously participate in, in the country you live in. | Calm the F down. Why do you have to use derogatory remarks? Can't you have a simple disagreement without getting all bent out of shape? I've read a good deal - and people that have done more research than you and I combined have said it's still unclear. Not one single person hase ever been sentenced for online poker being illegal. I think that's the bottom line - it just isn't really illegal if nobody is being sentenced for something that could easily be proven. The laws have not been written that would allow the government (federal and state) to prosecute people for online poker. Online Poker Legal? - Internet Gambling Law and Online Poker State Gambling Law Summary for all US States
I await your remarks where you call me an idiot and hurt my feelings.
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10-26-2007, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14 Calm the F down. Why do you have to use derogatory remarks? Can't you have a simple disagreement without getting all bent out of shape? I've read a good deal - and people that have done more research than you and I combined have said it's still unclear. Not one single person hase ever been sentenced for online poker being illegal. I think that's the bottom line - it just isn't really illegal if nobody is being sentenced for something that could easily be proven. The laws have not been written that would allow the government (federal and state) to prosecute people for online poker. Online Poker Legal? - Internet Gambling Law and Online Poker State Gambling Law Summary for all US States
I await your remarks where you call me an idiot and hurt my feelings.
Much love, Phil. | This is what I said in (all of) my previous post(s). Quote:
Originally Posted by jbones
Online sports betting is, at the moment, the only explicitly illegal form of online gaming. Just because there's no article that says "online poker is against the law" verbatim does not change the fact that we live in a country where gambling (outside of regulated B&M casinos which aren't exactly all over the place) is illegal. As I've pointed out over and over although it seems everybody already knows it but you, any legislation that would apply specifically to online poker is still up in the air. Again, the UIGEA comes to mind.
In order to regulate online poker, of course there will need to be a new bill that applies explicitly to online poker. Don't you think that by the time online poker is regulated, this will exist? Do you see why it doesn't exist right now?
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10-26-2007, 10:28 AM
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It is this statement I continue to have issues with:
"we live in a country where gambling (outside of regulated B&M casinos which aren't exactly all over the place) is illegal."
It is too broad a statement. I gamble every other week at Spacemonkey's house where we play two games of NL Hold'em followed by a small cash game. It's not illegal. There are plenty of legalized gambling events that take place outside of B&M Casinos. My mom plays Bingo every week at her church. Nobody's been busted there yet. I bought some scratch tickets lastr week - the clerk assured me I would not get arrested. |
10-26-2007, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14 It is this statement I continue to have issues with:
"we live in a country where gambling (outside of regulated B&M casinos which aren't exactly all over the place) is illegal."
It is too broad a statement. I gamble every other week at Spacemonkey's house where we play two games of NL Hold'em followed by a small cash game. It's not illegal. There are plenty of legalized gambling events that take place outside of B&M Casinos. My mom plays Bingo every week at her church. Nobody's been busted there yet. I bought some scratch tickets lastr week - the clerk assured me I would not get arrested. | Bingo is legal because it is classified as charitable- the same goes for the lottery and scratch tickets.
Your home game actually is unlawful, and would only be legal if there were no cash prize or if it were a charity tournament.
This might look familiar, because it's the same article I linked to that you said was irrelevant: Massachusetts Gambling Laws
The exact same chapters (literally word for word), the only difference being that these are only the laws that apply in Massachusetts. |
10-26-2007, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jbones Bingo is legal because it is classified as charitable- the same goes for the lottery and scratch tickets.
Your home game actually is unlawful, and would only be legal if there were no cash prize or if it were a charity tournament.
This might look familiar, because it's the same article I linked to that you said was irrelevant: Massachusetts Gambling Laws
The exact same chapters (literally word for word), the only difference being that these are only the laws that apply in Massachusetts. | Ugh. Do you see where your problem is? You make a definitive statement - then change. Is all gambling outside of regulated B&M Casinos illegal or not? Make up your mind.
My home game in Massachusetts is not illegal - the state law is not definitive. Just so we can move the discussion along - pretend I live in Arizona - where social gambling is allowed, as opposed to Massachusetts where there is some question as to whether it is legal or not. |
10-26-2007, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14 Ugh. Do you see where your problem is? You make a definitive statement - then change. Is all gambling outside of regulated B&M Casinos illegal or not? Make up your mind.
My home game in Massachusetts is not illegal - the state law is not definitive. Just so we can move the discussion along - pretend I live in Arizona - where social gambling is allowed, as opposed to Massachusetts where there is some question as to whether it is legal or not. | The problem is that my statement hasn't changed once. You can go through all my posts quoting a bunch of halves of sentences again trying to make it look like it has, but it hasn't. The facts are that every state has different laws, but for the most part non-charitable gambling outside of Brick and Mortar casinos is illegal. I've said this all along. This means gambling is illegal, but like anything else in life, there are a few exceptions (like raising money for charity). Does this make the statement "Gambling is legal" true? Absolutely not.
We can pretend you live in Arizona, and yup- you guessed it- that will change the legality of your home game because... the laws are different there. I've said that a few times as well. Again, there are (very) few exceptions, and again, gambling is illegal (in general/ in most areas) in this country. |  | |
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