AP scandal summary post

links_slayer · #11 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 06:24 AM

Money and greed will make people do some crazy things....

Chipmunk · #12 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dajebriza

Duh.... And you mean to tell me an online poker site's owner isn't happy with the monster rake they make from honest daily play? He's got to rip off his customers as well???

I also find it hard to believe. Then again perhaps the recent merger with UB means he won't be getting the rake like he used too?

200 Motels · #13 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 08:39 AM

I thought it was some "rogue programmer" who was working for AP.

From power comes corruption. From absolute power, comes absolute corruption.

No pun intended.

the3rd · #14 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shadesofgrey

honestly, i think its a test account.. thats what the 2p2 guys are alluding to. either way, #363 is watching the hole cards and telling another person what they are. then dumping the money to other accounts before reading 2p2

I was just explaining what a super user account is to those that don't want to read the whole thing.

Sea Vulture · #15 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 10:08 AM

This is a perfect illustration of why I refuse to play online poker for cash anymore. Besides the above referenced issue, collusion and tracking software make it difficult to play an honest game. There is no substitute for live poker.

hachkc · #16 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Vulture

This is a perfect illustration of why I refuse to play online poker for cash anymore. Besides the above referenced issue, collusion and tracking software make it difficult to play an honest game. There is no substitute for live poker.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is probably the worst possible example of cheating online (seeing hole cards). That being said, playing online is sooooo much easier than live. If I get to 2 live games a month, that's good for me. I can easily play 7500 hands a month online just in my spare time. I play micro-low limits (mostly 25-100NL type games) and have never experienced an issue. That's not to say I haven't been cheated by someone colluding with someone else but it hasn't been a problem. I make a enough money at it to buy things I wouldn't buy otherwise so it works for me.

99%evil · #17 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 10:24 AM

I tell you one thing, regardless of the site, I'd be wary if I was a high stakes player online after this episode. If there are high ups pulling this crap at this site...who knows what could happen at other sites with disgruntled employees or greedy individuals.

There really is no substitute for live play, but it's hard to get to a casino for most folks.

200 Motels · #18 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Vulture

This is a perfect illustration of why I refuse to play online poker for cash anymore. Besides the above referenced issue, collusion and tracking software make it difficult to play an honest game. There is no substitute for live poker.

I really don't think that this is why you don't play online anymore. If you were beat, it wasn't because someone had a super-user account. Prolly wasn't from colluding players. Could have been someone using datamining software, but really, that only gives them so much of an edge and the same edge is available to everyone.

Collusion isn't very common and is usually sniffed out by the site's security. Also, colluding players are usually colluding because they aren't very good.

Regarding data mining software, it's up to you if you would like to use it and the information it provides. It's not very useful in tournament play because of the limited amount of statistics available.

This was happening at the highest of limits and joe average poker player at low-mid limits has no reason to stop playing.

Also, the horrible play by most online players makes up for potential advantage of others that you could run into.

Couga · #19 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 11:10 AM

Rigged!

Sea Vulture · #20 (**permalink**) 10-17-2007, 11:17 AM

I was just stating my two cents. There are just too many variables in online poker that simply don't exist in live games, which was my point. Bad play exists in both, and is increasing in live games, due to TV and online poker. I welcome that.

My experience has shown that WAY too many strange things have happened in online games that I haven't seen in live games. I was up slightly playing online before I stopped, so it wasn't a "losing" issue, but rather an observation issue, nothing more, nothing less.

The above illustration is only the "latest" example. Only a short time ago, a player was "busted" in another tournament (I forget which one) for playing two accounts and he ended up at the final table with both accounts. My guess is that more and more of these "issues" will keep coming to light.