[hachkc]

I have over 100 hands on the guy and he's like a 21/1. I put him JJ+ here easily. After the flop, I'm only beating 1 of those hands so I go passive and get a cheap showdown. Probably could have raised more PF though.


PokerStars Game #12669387826: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/10/16 - 20:22:01 (ET)
Table 'Undina IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 3: CmdrPenguin ($30.80 in chips)
Seat 4: ironicman01 ($26.80 in chips)
Seat 5: siquinte ($18.60 in chips)
Seat 6: SilvrDollar ($16.10 in chips)
Seat 8: delachode ($23.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Eliminator6 ($29.25 in chips)
siquinte: posts small blind $0.10
SilvrDollar: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CmdrPenguin [Ks Kd]
delachode: calls $0.25
Eliminator6: raises $1 to $1.25
CmdrPenguin: raises $1.75 to $3
ironicman01: folds
siquinte: folds
SilvrDollar: folds
delachode: folds
Eliminator6: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [4d 7s Jc]
Eliminator6: checks
CmdrPenguin: checks
*** TURN *** [4d 7s Jc] [8c]
Eliminator6: checks
CmdrPenguin: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d 7s Jc 8c] [5h]
Eliminator6: bets $3.50
CmdrPenguin: calls $3.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Eliminator6: shows [Jh Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
CmdrPenguin: mucks hand
Eliminator6 collected $12.95 from pot
g.villeneuve is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.60 | Rake $0.65
Board [4d 7s Jc 8c 5h]
Seat 3: CmdrPenguin mucked [Ks Kd]
Seat 4: ironicman01 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: siquinte (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: SilvrDollar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: delachode folded before Flop
Seat 9: Eliminator6 showed [Jh Jd] and won ($12.95) with three of a kind, Jacks

[Poboy]

100 hands is not a lot. And yeah, RR a real amount preflop.

[cdnmoose]

I love donks that don't bet their sets. Too bad you didn't have 66.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by Poboy

100 hands is not a lot. And yeah, RR a real amount preflop.

True but he's basically raised once or twice in like 120 hands which indicates a pretty tight range IMO.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by cdnmoose

I love donks that don't bet their sets. Too bad you didn't have 66.

Not a hand I'd usually 3bet against a tight UTG raiser though

I sure he expected me to bet out the flop as I represented a big pair or at worst AK. My flop check told him I didn't have AA. He figures I probably have to bet the turn now but I don't oblige. Best case scenario IMO is he leads river with QQ.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by hachkc

True but he's basically raised once or twice in like 120 hands which indicates a pretty tight range IMO.

Or is cold decked over ~an hour's worth of seat time.

Just be careful you don't put too much stock in PT numbers until you have a fair sample size.

[Chipmunk]

I also like the total aggression, its very useful to note that when someone with an aggression factor of 0.8 or similar starts betting then your top-pair is no longer good. Also added "folds to cbets" to my hud, I don't use it as much as I should though but it still has its use.

BB/100 is also one that I have on my hud, its questionable if its of any use as it would need a huge amount of hands to be remotely accurate but I like to know if villains are winning on the sample that I have on them.

[jldecarlo]

Originally Posted by hachkc

True but he's basically raised once or twice in like 120 hands which indicates a pretty tight range IMO.

I agree. 100 hands is plenty to get general betting patterns. It's enough to recognise those guys who are basically just set-mining. Is it foolproof? Of course not, but it's very useful info.

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[PhilTheThrill14]

Originally Posted by jldecarlo

I agree. 100 hands is plenty to get general betting patterns. It's enough to recognise those guys who are basically just set-mining. Is it foolproof? Of course not, but it's very useful info.

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No way man. Ever been hit with a cold deck for 90-100 hands? I have. This could be the case with this guy - and you really don't want to base a decision on a snapshot of 100 hands that could be anything. What do people thinkg the cutoff is where you can have a reasonable idea how someone plays? 500 hands?

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14

No way man. Ever been hit with a cold deck for 90-100 hands? I have. This could be the case with this guy - and you really don't want to base a decision on a snapshot of 100 hands that could be anything. What do people thinkg the cutoff is where you can have a reasonable idea how someone plays? 500 hands?

I don't think there is a specific number of hands. Fish you don't need that many hands, because if someone is playing a lot of hands, they're playing a lot of hands. If you've got 35 hands on a guy and he's limped 21 of them, I think you have a pretty good idea of how he plays preflop. The tighter people are, the more hands I would want on them because tight could mean they are cold decked.

I probably would have been pushing around a tight passive guy like this, which would give me a little more information because if he were tight aggressive but cold decked, he would probably push back with nothing at some point to back me off. If he were truly tight passive and not cold decked, he'd just call and try to get me to keep bluffing him (apparently like this guy was doing).



I didn't mean that you should be ignoring PT stats because there aren't a lot of hands, I just wanted to point out that PT stats don't tell a whole story.