[Diablo_Rojos]

Now I think you guys are looking at this from the wrong way?

What would Worm do?

Would Worm look at this dasterly deed and say "No way I'm not getting taken"?
Or
Would Worm try to find out how also to get the "edge"

That's pretty f'd up. If you ask me.
But how is UB involved with AP?

[ipgyst]

Originally Posted by Diablo_Rojos

But how is UB involved with AP?

UB merged into AP, so essentially they are two skins on the same network. I think.

[TheMightyJim2k]

I would say unless you are playing upwards of 30/60 limit or 5/10 NL you really don't need to be worried when playing on AP.

As a guy playing full time right now I can't bring myself to leave AP even though their response to this issue makes me not want to give them a dime of rake. The problem is that their promos, perks, and bonuses for high volume players are terrific and that is just too +EV for me to try to take a moral stance on the issue.

FWIW I've played up to 10/20 on AP and have never run into any of the alleged superuser accounts. I believe what the high stakes guys are saying, and those HHs are certainly damning enough evidence in my mind. But I feel fairly safe that whoever compromised AP's security wouldn't waste their time with mid and low limits.

[shadesofgrey]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

I would say unless you are playing upwards of 30/60 limit or 5/10 NL you really don't need to be worried when playing on AP.

true, but the problem i have is if the guy was genius enough to enable a superuser account... what other capabilites can the person or persons do?

i assume the vill multitables? i rarely read 2+2, and that was my first read at pocketfives.. i've heard about the inifity agression on the river though...

i gotta give props to the hacker scumbag, thats impressive hacking! i cant imagine the effort it took to weed this cheater(s) out.

if AP is already compromised, buyer beware...

im waiting until AP clears their current mess and offers sweet reload bonuses

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

I would say unless you are playing upwards of 30/60 limit or 5/10 NL you really don't need to be worried when playing on AP.

As a guy playing full time right now I can't bring myself to leave AP even though their response to this issue makes me not want to give them a dime of rake. The problem is that their promos, perks, and bonuses for high volume players are terrific and that is just too +EV for me to try to take a moral stance on the issue.

FWIW I've played up to 10/20 on AP and have never run into any of the alleged superuser accounts. I believe what the high stakes guys are saying, and those HHs are certainly damning enough evidence in my mind. But I feel fairly safe that whoever compromised AP's security wouldn't waste their time with mid and low limits.

The problem with that is that the cheaters may move down to avoid further detection.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by Poboy

The problem with that is that the cheaters may move down to avoid further detection.

The worst thing is, with all the discussion, they could easily avoid detection in the future by showing some losers in small pots and leaving the cheating for the larger pots. Get PT, monitor their own stats and try to keep all the stats in line except the $$$ ones. Now that they've been found out, drop down a few levels and keep going.

PS: I haven't read all the posts on this so forgive me if I've missed something.

[scottwire]

Originally Posted by ipgyst

UB merged into AP, so essentially they are two skins on the same network. I think.

AP and UB merged as a company, yes, but they are still on separate software platforms, and thus have different tables.

The only technical association so far is the ability to transfer funds to player accounts between the two.

[Chipmunk]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

As a guy playing full time right now I can't bring myself to leave AP even though their response to this issue makes me not want to give them a dime of rake. The problem is that their promos, perks, and bonuses for high volume players are terrific and that is just too +EV for me to try to take a moral stance on the issue.

I hope they won't bounce you checks though:
The 2+2 Forums: Got a bounced check from Absolute Poker
Only one person though.

Moral stance might be -EV, but really if they are this blatantly caught then I'd be a bit afraid that they'll loose their players and go busto.

[Ikkans]

So are AB's HL Games pretty much dead now? Most of the HL community has to know what's going on.

[TheMightyJim2k]

to answer a couple of comments in the thread.

SOG - nope definitely not multitabling, which actually is evidence in favor of the cheating since some of the more tech inclined suggested that it would be much harder to crack this info for multiple tables (I'm not savvy so you have to read the threads to figure that out).

Poboy - I don't think they'll be back to be honest. I think they treated this like a bank robbery. Get in, get a lot of cash quick, and get out. I don't think you could make enough at the medium stakes to make it worth the effort. But again I could totally be wrong. Also despite APs lack of response, I feel strongly that they are investigating this seriously and trying to shore up their system behind the scenes. They did let slip to one high stakes player that they were still investigating it seriously even after they had claimed to find no cheating.

hach - that would make the most sense, but some of the high limit players have pointed out that it would take a lot of effort to figure out how to play the game and appear to be reasonable. Typically the kind of person who just wants to smash and grab a bunch of money from a site like this isnt going to be too worried if their perfect Fundamental Theory of Poker Play gives them away.

chipmunk - yeah I hope so to. Although I know lots of other players that have received checks and had no problems with them bouncing. Also I've had epass cashouts before and they worked fine. I feel pretty safe getting my funds from AP if I need too.

I just wish it was easier to move money and I would consider shifting this to pstars. But I have enough on the site that there is no easy transfer method for me.