[NoFear]

Originally Posted by Stocktrader

I think post flop, without knowing any of the styles of play here, to be scared of a straight is unnecessary.

Would someone CALL let alone RAISE preflop with 6-10? Post flop is a different story.

That's what I mean. Sorry, post flop. AA should raise the bet not slow play. Correct?

[whataboutj]

Looks like bad AA play but waiting for the results (can't get to P* from work)

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by NoFear

So, should the AA bet high after flop is the correct way? Even so after the flop with an AA I would be scare that someone will have a straight.

Your input is greatly appreciated.

on that flop I'm SLOOOOWING down. I'm going to try and get to SD cheap. I would probably c/c a bet on the flop and turn. when the flop gets checked through I feel very good. On the turn I call that bet, but I would never c/r. If the 4th spade doesn't come on the river I'm not sure whether I call with a 4 straight out there and 3 spades. It depends on the opponent and the bet size. The good news is that villains are almost never value betting JJ-KK or AQ/AK since they are more scared than me. So I really don't need to worry about getting bluffed out by a better hand. you have to realize on that board that your AA is only good as 1) a bluff catcher and 2) a spade draw. you don't have a hand that can bet or raise for value.

Better yet, win someone repops me preflop that means they have a big hand. So I'm usually putting in the third raise with AA hoping that we get it in preflop.

put it this way. If you want to try and get your money all-in with AA dont wait until the board is 6789 with 3 spades before you do it. At that point I want to SD for as cheap as possible.

[jojobinks]

yeah, tmj pretty much broke it down for y'all. it's almost as if he ignored the board, and was just waiting to shove all his chips in. so horrible.

here the rest of the HH. stay tuned for more jetsetboy gems.

*** TURN *** [8d 9s 7s] [6s]
jetsetboy: bets $32
Felted_Good: raises $88 to $120
jetsetboy: raises $67.05 to $187.05 and is all-in
Felted_Good: calls $67.05
*** RIVER *** [8d 9s 7s 6s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jetsetboy: shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces)
Felted_Good: shows [Th Kh] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Felted_Good collected $422.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $425.10 | Rake $3
Board [8d 9s 7s 6s Jh]
Seat 1: tilted fish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jetsetboy showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: Felted_Good showed [Th Kh] and won ($422.10) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 4: Schwallie4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MOBstar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: ToddDuke (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: thejojobinks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: battletoad2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[NoFear]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

It depends on the opponent and the bet size. The good news is that villains are almost never value betting JJ-KK or AQ/AK since they are more scared than me.

Thanks for you input Themightyjim2k, it makes sense. BTW, I heard this on TV and here but what is value betting mean?

[Irish Se7en]

Originally Posted by guinness

This post is useless without the finale. Yes, bad AA play but what was the end?

It's jojo's thread teaser, so he must post the ending.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by NoFear

Thanks for you input Themightyjim2k, it makes sense. BTW, I heard this on TV and here but what is value betting mean?

a value bet is when you make a bet with what rates to be the best hand, hoping to be called.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by NoFear

Thanks for you input Themightyjim2k, it makes sense. BTW, I heard this on TV and here but what is value betting mean?

it means betting or raising with what you believe is a better hand than the other opponent because you want them to call so you make more $$$. Basically poker 101, and something we all somewhat intuitively understand. But it helps to understand the difference between value betting, bluffing, semi-bluffing etc so that we can think about why we bet or raise with our hand. So in this case when the villain looks at this board the relative hand strength of his hand goes way down, and he can't value bet or raise because worse hands are never calling. He can bluff, semi-bluff, or call if he thinks he is best. But raising is never correct since no worse hand is calling. considering the board and my hand I would certainly not be bluff or semi-bluffing.

thus my suggestion to call a turn bet, and reevaluate on the river.

[guinness]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

Seat 3: Felted_Good showed [Th Kh] and won ($422.10) with a straight, Seven to Jack

Nice....KT is my favorite hand as our NH home game is well aware of...

[NoFear]

LOL, after all this time pull my hair out. The definition of value betting is so clear now.

Thank you both.....