[monkeydog]

Hard or easy to lay down....bonus points for villains cards...


STAGE #738044870: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2007-08-18 20:46:31 (ET)
Table: ALL STAR DR (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - XREDEBILITY ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 7 - MRJONNYDRAMA ($87.74 in chips)
Seat 8 - MONKEYDOG333 ($19.45 in chips)
Seat 9 - STAX ($48.16 in chips)
Seat 1 - VONHEIMLICH ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 2 - MYFEETSTINK ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 3 - MR BREEZE ($3.75 in chips)
Seat 5 - MSCHORR ($23.75 in chips)
MRJONNYDRAMA - Posts small blind $0.10
MONKEYDOG333 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MONKEYDOG333 [Ks 4d]
STAX - Calls $0.25
VONHEIMLICH - Folds
MYFEETSTINK - Folds
MR BREEZE - Folds
MSCHORR - Calls $0.25
XREDEBILITY - Folds
MRJONNYDRAMA - Calls $0.15
MONKEYDOG333 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [9d 4s Kd]
MRJONNYDRAMA - Bets $1
MONKEYDOG333 - Raises $3 to $3
STAX - Folds
MSCHORR - Raises $8 to $8
MRJONNYDRAMA - Folds


Hero??

[jdunford]

Not much you can do but push at this point. If he has KK or 99 or 44 or K9, you're screwed... But I've seen this move time and time again with AdXd and at least a push will take away his odds - which means if he calls and sucks out, at least he made a mistake (despite taking all your chips).

If he has AA or QQ, it's his mistake not raising preflop to force hands like yours to fold.

I'm still leaning towards him having AdXd, where X doesn't matter much (probably 2 or 3).

[tim722]

I'm not even in this hand w/ K4o, even in the BB. Since you are though, if you want this pot, you should be pushing, especially if you have a read on him trying to push you around with junk. If he's TAG, he's probably hit a set at this point, or higher two pair, and he'll take it down. I'm folding those cards with villain's big raise. I think villain is on 99 or K9.

[whataboutj]

Originally Posted by tim722

I'm not even in this hand w/ K4o, even in the BB.

You would fold your BB instead of checking pre-flop??? Really?


If the villan didn't raies the pot pre-flop and is holding Q-Q or a higher pocket pair they have no clue about isolating the pot against one other peson with those hands. If they are holding K-K and got lucky on the flop then so be it. Limping in with 4-4 or 9-9 is a good play because you want to see multiple people in the pot when you are set mining a low to middle pocket pair. Again if that is what they are doing then hit their set and you are in a bad spot.
A lot of your decision will be based on how this person has been playing and what your read is on them. Since we don't have any of that in the OP I am going to venture a guess:
I say push all in. If called and you are behind at least you have the benefit of seeing the last two cards with no decisions to make.
I am thinking the villan limped in with A-4 or A-9 and hit a low or middle pair and thinks it's good given the limpers to start the hand
J

[tim722]

I did mean post flop. I'm not folding preflop on BB with the option to check. Post flop, I'm making a value bet at the pot, and depending on my read of the villain, I'm likely mucking K4 off when he raises back at me for $8. In this hand, I'm guessing he either hit a set, or top two pair. Since this is an isolated hand, that's my best guess.

[Chipmunk]

Since no one raised PF I'd think its less possible to see a strong King or KK. The raise would mean at my limit that villain can beat TPTK, so 44 & 99 are definitely possible, maybe he'd raise 99 pf from the CO though. The board is a bit scary, and he could make the play with hands like TdJd or JdQd since he would have a nice double draw. I'm leaning towards 44 though. That said I can't fold this hand. I hope he has TPGK and will get stacked, but that rarely happens though. Also I play smaller stakes, so I'm not sure I can interpret these big games correctly

[yeltzen]

If the flop were drier, you might be able to make a fold with a good read. As it is, you have to push. They could do this with a flush draw, top pair, an overpair, a better two pair, or a set. Obviously, the hands you beat are more likely, so you have to push.

My guess is you pushed, and he called and showed K9.

[monkeydog]

Sorry took so long....


MONKEYDOG333 - All-In(Raise) $16.20 to $19.20
MSCHORR - Calls $11.20
*** TURN *** [9d 4s Kd] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [9d 4s Kd 9c] [10c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MSCHORR - Shows [Kc 9s] (Full house, nines full of kings)
MONKEYDOG333 - Shows [Ks 4d] (Two Pair, kings and nines)
MSCHORR Collects $38.40 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($40.40) | Rake ($2)
Board [9d 4s Kd 9c 10c]

K9 flashed in my head right before my push...thought naahh who limps with K9? Answer MSCHORR!!! LOL...

Just wanted to see that others wouldn't fold either.