[Wooderson]

Originally Posted by hachkc

I personally believe you need to be more aggressive in tournies than in cash games which is probably why I like cash games better.

Dude. Cash games are trending just as aggressive, and not just in 6max. It's changing in full-ring as well. It's Shania. It took me losing about 17 buy-ins to realize how much the meta-game has changed at full-ring. I'm barely playing on the 2nd level of poker, and there are enough people playing that aren't even at the first level, but the game itself is 3bet city. The advent of 3- and 4-betting as standard has changes cash games immensely.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by Wooderson

Dude. Cash games are trending just as aggressive, and not just in 6max. It's changing in full-ring as well. It's Shania. It took me losing about 17 buy-ins to realize how much the meta-game has changed at full-ring. I'm barely playing on the 2nd level of poker, and there are enough people playing that aren't even at the first level, but the game itself is 3bet city. The advent of 3- and 4-betting as standard has changes cash games immensely.

Are you talking limit or NL? What limits? Personally, I just haven't seen it unless something has changed greatly in the last 3 months. I've pretty much given up playing online for the last 3 months but played between 8-12k hands per month prior to that. At the level of games most of us play (not WSOP or WPT type events), cash games afford a luxury that tournies don't; patience.

What sort of things are you seeing to believe the game has changed significantly? I'd agree play has improved alot in the last year so you'll see less people paying you off with only TPxK but I wouldn't say its changed significantly, it has gotten tighter though. I should qualify my experience level is .10/.25 - .50/1 NLHE at P*.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by hachkc

Are you talking limit or NL? What limits? Personally, I just haven't seen it unless something has changed greatly in the last 3 months. I've pretty much given up playing online for the last 3 months but played between 8-12k hands per month prior to that. At the level of games most of us play (not WSOP or WPT type events), cash games afford a luxury that tournies don't; patience.

What sort of things are you seeing to believe the game has changed significantly? I'd agree play has improved alot in the last year so you'll see less people paying you off with only TPxK but I wouldn't say its changed significantly, it has gotten tighter though. I should qualify my experience level is .10/.25 - .50/1 NLHE at P*.

imo, preflop play is quite passive at .1/.25 - 1/2 nlhe at p*. so i'm confuzzed too.

[whataboutj]

This has been a very interesting thread to read- thanks for all the insight and opinons.

One quick story relating to GUN's comment earlier about watching a game of chicken:

I was playing in a $6 +$.50 SnG on p* this past weekend. I was on the button and got A-A. 3 players limp in to me (Blinds were 50/100). I raise to 500 trying to isolate to 1 or 2 people. The SB folds and the BB moves all in (he had 1600 chips to my 1500). everyone else folds - I obviously call for the rest of my stack. He shows 8-3 off suit. I am happy as hell right?? Flop comes 8-10-3. No help on the turn or river and I am out. This was one of the rare ocassions that I commented on how terrible of a play he made (not in a flaming way). His reply:
"We played a game of chicken and neither one of us blinked and I got lucky"

I then told him you shouldnt play chicken against cars when you are riding a bicycle

I guess what I am saying is that the games of "Chicken" happen a lot and it is annoying as hell to play against (No suprise there) & I found GUN's comment interesting because this guy literally called it that

Thanks for letting me rant - back to the discusion

[Wooderson]

Originally Posted by hachkc

Are you talking limit or NL? What limits?

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I should qualify my experience level is .10/.25 - .50/1 NLHE at P*.

.1/.25 - .5/1 NL at Absolute over the last 6 months.

It is quite passive in the, "Hey, let's have half the table limp," sense.
It's quite aggressive in the 3-betting pre- and post-flop with very meager hands. Examples: TPTK re-raised on the flop by someone with MPWK), bet implying flush raised by bet implying nut flush then re-raised (and first bet turns out to be two pair). These are two very persistent examples.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by Wooderson

Examples: TPTK re-raised on the flop by someone with MPWK), bet implying flush raised by bet implying nut flush then re-raised (and first bet turns out to be two pair). These are two very persistent examples.

So are you complaining about this?

Sounds like a great game to play in.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by Wooderson

.1/.25 - .5/1 NL at Absolute over the last 6 months.

It is quite passive in the, "Hey, let's have half the table limp," sense.
It's quite aggressive in the 3-betting pre- and post-flop with very meager hands. Examples: TPTK re-raised on the flop by someone with MPWK), bet implying flush raised by bet implying nut flush then re-raised (and first bet turns out to be two pair). These are two very persistent examples.

Good lord... I'm definitely playing on the wrong site!

[Wooderson]

Originally Posted by hachkc

So are you complaining about this?

Sounds like a great game to play in.

No, I'm just pointing out that the hyper-aggressive style has moved to low-stakes NL FR games.