[VARoadstter]

Holy moley are these games soft.

Try the .25/.50 PL on P*

[jojobinks]

ok, help a brother out.

starting hands to limp?
starting hands to raise?
and so on?

[ACE'S FULL]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

ok, help a brother out.

starting hands to limp?
starting hands to raise?
and so on?

What he said...

[smoore]

rough 9 at showdown can take down a multiway, not-very-contested pot.


lowball poker isn't really determined in starting cards, more like "starting draws". "Three to a seven? I'll play!"

... and that's all I know about lowball.

edit: YOW! Wait until you get to the next post!

[VARoadstter]

2-7 Triple Draw in a nutshell...

First read this page which explains rules, hand rankings. It's not the same as A-5 lowball.

Also found this page which gives good basic advice about the game.

Starting hand requirements:

< 3 cards to a 7 low - fold, except in the blinds if limped
3 cards to a 7 low (any) - limp
3+ cards to a 7 low with a 3,2 ; 4,2 ; 4,3 - pot it

Position is important here for the same reason it's important in any pot-limit game - you want to know if things are going to sprial into big-pots or not.

Pay attention to the number of draws for each opponent. It can go by quickly so use some discipline and pay attention.

If you're still in the hand after the first draw and your opponents are drawing 3 or more you are ahead and should proceed as such until they are either drawing fewer than you or reraise.

If they are drawing few then you give them credit for it and evaluate where you are in the hand. Probably time to slow down if you are drawing more.

After the first draw, you want to have 4 cards to an 9 low or better if against 3 or more opponents. This is the point where you can either get away from a pot cheap or you have a winner or a great drawing hand.

2nd, 3rd draws - depends on the number of opponents. If I'm up against 2 others drawing 1 card I am not happy staying in with 10 low/drawing 1. I definitely will discard the 10 here.

Getting to showdown...

I will NOT bet an 8 low or worse at showdown unless heads up against an opponent who is drawing 1 or more - otherwise you're betting for value. You will call bets though - particularly if you're opponent has been drawing throughout.

I will bet pot bet, raise, reraise every 7 low. Against the tightest of tight opponents I will consider just calling if they are coming back over the top but you can't fold a 7 low.

That should do for a start. Read the excellent chapter in SS2 (Daniel Negraneau I think wrote this chapter). It's a little too tight for this stake level but it explains 2-7 triple draw fantastically.

Maybe not as exciting as hold-em or omaha, but you sure can make a good amount of $$$ playing it properly.

[w16227]

URK - do not even know starting hands... but here is some stuff....

--- that I deleted because VAR has all that and more, read his stuff cuz it is way better than what I had


VAR - do you mean soft as in - they will lay down when "told" (can play a little aggressive and run prople off of hands with the right timed bluffs)?

- or soft as in they are cash spewing calling stations - where you play tight and theypay when you hold the goods?

[Devilboy]

Couple of pointers from Daniel (Super System II) I'll post moar tonight. (It's for LIMIT though - please note!)

- Don't start in any raised pot without a deuce. You can't make a seven without a 2 and you can't make any decent eights without it either, so you don't want to be drawing to a deuce!

- 2-card draws to the nuts or better (e.g. 235 or 247) can be played before the first draw for any number of bets and you should usually be raising and re-raising with these hands. Also 2 card draws to #5 ( 23458 ) are very strong and should be raised and re-raised often. Obviously 1 card draws and pat hands should be played as fast as possible. Don't slow-play strong hands cause you'll give it away as soon as you draw anyway.

- Whenever you're ahead of your opponent (e.g. you draw 1 and they draw 2) you should pretty much always bet, even if you don't improve. If you're behind you should check / call or check / fold

- Keep track of what hands your opponents show down and how they bet them, in triple draw it's fairly easy to make big laydowns if you pay attention

[VARoadstter]

Originally Posted by w16227

URK - do not even know starting hands... but here is some stuff....

--- that I deleted because VAR has all that and more, read his stuff cuz it is way better than what I had


VAR - do you mean soft as in - they will lay down when "told" (can play a little aggressive and run prople off of hands with the right timed bluffs)?

- or soft as in they are cash spewing calling stations - where you play tight and theypay when you hold the goods?

The latter. You will get paid off with so many hands.

I consider 2-7 to be much like Omaha in that it's not really a bluffing game per se. It's more of a game where correct play (to the strongest hands) will earn lots against people who just can't seem to lay down.

[Big Mike]

This is very weird. I have just started playing this game as well, and was going to be making a post about it in this forum eventually.
I've been playing the Limit game on P* quite a bit lately, usually .50/1 but as I type I'm in the 1/2.
Devilboy made some very good points re: strategy. You should be playing the game tight and aggressive, raising your strong hands, trying to get heads up with a better hand or draw.

[Devilboy]

Some more tips for limit triple draw:

- Know your odds. A pat Jack is a favourite over 2345 with one draw left. A pat nine is a favourite over two opponents drawing one to the nuts. If you are drawing one card with eight outs to a seven against a pat hand you need about 4.5 to 1 pot odds to call.

- After the last draw there's usually so much money in the pot that you should call with almost any hand even if you missed, you'll catch them snowing quite often.

- Snowing is very important - you have to show your opponents that you bluff so they'll be forced to pay you off when you make your hands (which will be a lot since you're playing very tight) About once every 5 orbits or so and then adjust from there - if you get caught a lot do it less, and if you get away with it do it more. If you have catch 3 or all 4 deuces before the second draw you should definitely snow.

- You can play 3 card draws to the nuts when stealing the blinds or when defending them. (23, 24, 25, 27 - not 26 since you end up with a straight too often)

what else did you noobies want to know