[imthatguy]

Played tonight for the first time - thanks jdunford for the introduction - it won me my buy-in back from the tournament I blew this afternoon. Had I known how fun it was, I would have suggested we start the cash game with it, rather than only get a few orbits at the end.

Great fun for those who have never played - I suggest you give it a whirl.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

Played tonight for the first time - thanks jdunford for the introduction - it won me my buy-in back from the tournament I blew this afternoon. Had I known how fun it was, I would have suggested we start the cash game with it, rather than only get a few orbits at the end.

Great fun for those who have never played - I suggest you give it a whirl.

We just played the micro stakes Fixed Limit version (50¢/$1 FL). I don't know if I'd have the stomach for Pot Limit. For example, I had one hand against SS where I drew 1 card on the 1st draw to make an 8-6, bet it all the way (and obviously patted on 2nd and 3rd draws), she was drawing 2 cards on 1st and 2nd and 1 card on 3rd, and beat me with 8-5. Now, I still won about $40-$50 in the few orbits we played, but the suck-outs at PL would get to me.

I did get a good laugh when you drew 5 that one time. Didn't you go on to win that hand?

[imthatguy]

Originally Posted by jdunford

I did get a good laugh when you drew 5 that one time. Didn't you go on to win that hand?

I did, I drew 5 on the first draw, 2 on the second, and 1 on the third to win with an 8.

I RULE!

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

I did, I drew 5 on the first draw, 2 on the second, and 1 on the third to win with an 8.

I RULE!

My favourite hand of the night (well, I found it interesting at least):

Dealt to jdunford: ----

In my opinion, this is a great starting hand; I need to draw 2 cards, but it's less likely than usual that I'm up against good hands since there are less 2's and 3's out there. Also, it's less likely that I'll catch another 2 or 3 when I draw (and the flush isn't an issue, but it rarely is).

I bet, and it gets called around (3 callers; we only had 4 players). They all draw 2 cards.

Discard -; draw -.
I now have .

OK, mildly unfortunately, but now I'm drawing 1 card to the nuts, and there's 1 less 3 to worry about. I bet it out. Called by 2 players. They draw 2 cards again.

Discard ; draw .
I now have .

OK, this is getting ridiculous. Well, at least I don't have to worry about my opponents having really good cards, since I've accounted for all but 1 x 2 and 1 x 3... I bet it out; called by 2 players. They draw a card each.

Discard ; draw a .
My hand is .

That sucked. Oh well. Checked around. Somebody shows a 9-low. I muck, and shake my head.

*EDIT* Just to clarify, I didn't think this was a "bad beat" in any way; just strange that the deck kept giving me more 2's and 3's... couldn't get away from them!

I figure my opponent (that won) started with a draw to a 7, holding 7-5-4. He drew 2 garbage cards, then drew an 8, then drew a 9, and was in check-call mode given that I'd been betting the whole way. He probably figured his 9-low was no good, but I'd been drawing a card too, so he couldn't very well fold his 8-draw or made-9 (even if I had bet on the end).

[VARoadstter]

Originally Posted by jdunford

My favourite hand of the night (well, I found it interesting at least):

Dealt to jdunford: ----

In my opinion, this is a great starting hand; I need to draw 2 cards, but it's less likely than usual that I'm up against good hands since there are less 2's and 3's out there. Also, it's less likely that I'll catch another 2 or 3 when I draw (and the flush isn't an issue, but it rarely is).

Well, it's not a great starting hand but it's a good starting hand. Change that 5 to a 7 and you have a great hand (for some that may sound counter-intuitive but always remember that nut lows contain BOTH a 2 and a 7). I agree completely with your point about eliminating potential outs from your opponents. It's very important to know what you are drawing to and what your opponents could be drawing to. Your extra intel regarding the scarcity of 2's and 3's is awesome.

Oh, and I need to know if you are in or out of position on this hand. This is far more important in TD than holdem, even. Knowing how many your opponents are drawing rather than guessing dictates most of your strategy from here on out.

Originally Posted by jdunford

I bet, and it gets called around (3 callers; we only had 4 players). They all draw 2 cards.

Discard -; draw -.
I now have .

OK, mildly unfortunately, but now I'm drawing 1 card to the nuts, and there's 1 less 3 to worry about. I bet it out. Called by 2 players. They draw 2 cards again.

There's nothing "unfortunate" about this! This is an awesome draw!! Now you have your 7 and you eliminate another low card. You need to rethink this, seriously. Your potential to gain the maximum on this hand just shot up a ton.

Originally Posted by jdunford

Discard ; draw .
I now have .

OK, this is getting ridiculous. Well, at least I don't have to worry about my opponents having really good cards, since I've accounted for all but 1 x 2 and 1 x 3... I bet it out; called by 2 players. They draw a card each.

Alright, I can infer from this that you are first to act in the hand which is a slight bummer but truthfully you have played the hand perfectly to this point regardless so it didn't really matter so much in the evaluation of this hand. Again, hitting another low card is good news (even though it doesn't fill your hand). It's better than catching Q K or A, worse than catching a T or 9, and about even with catching a J. Let's continue...

Originally Posted by jdunford

Discard ; draw a .
My hand is .

That sucked. Oh well. Checked around. Somebody shows a 9-low. I muck, and shake my head.

Bummer. Guy outdraws you on the end. Maybe you could argue that you shouldn't bet out prior to your 3rd draw but I probably play your hand exactly the same way.

Originally Posted by jdunford

*EDIT* Just to clarify, I didn't think this was a "bad beat" in any way; just strange that the deck kept giving me more 2's and 3's... couldn't get away from them!

I figure my opponent (that won) started with a draw to a 7, holding 7-5-4. He drew 2 garbage cards, then drew an 8, then drew a 9, and was in check-call mode given that I'd been betting the whole way. He probably figured his 9-low was no good, but I'd been drawing a card too, so he couldn't very well fold his 8-draw or made-9 (even if I had bet on the end).

Yep. You know going into the last draw that you need at least a 9 low to win the hand. If you had drawn a 9 I'm pretty sure you had a better 9 than your opponent. Bottom line, you were in the lead all the way and they outdrew you for the win. That's one reason why I prefer to play this game PL or NL (PL is best to avoid having to throw away promising draws to huge bets).

Hope to see you on the PL and NL tables sometime. I'm growing my bankroll big time playing TD this month. I suspect it's going to end up paying for my trip later this summer to go to the Seattle meetup.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by VARoadstter

Oh, and I need to know if you are in or out of position on this hand. This is far more important in TD than holdem, even. Knowing how many your opponents are drawing rather than guessing dictates most of your strategy from here on out.

Actually, I did have position. By "bet it out", I meant it was checked to me and I bet it. Hence, I had info on their draws before I drew, etc.

Originally Posted by VARoadstter

Bummer. Guy outdraws you on the end. Maybe you could argue that you shouldn't bet out prior to your 3rd draw but I probably play your hand exactly the same way.

I had no complaints with how anybody played the hand. Bad result for me, but not horrible. Only cost me a bet per round. Could have been worse.

Originally Posted by VARoadstter

Hope to see you on the PL and NL tables sometime. I'm growing my bankroll big time playing TD this month. I suspect it's going to end up paying for my trip later this summer to go to the Seattle meetup.

I'm currently playing on Party and I'm pretty sure there is no 2-7 on Party (at least, not at the stakes I play). Once I cash out from Party (hopefully soon; trying to work back up to a "magic" number after a run of rotten luck), I'll definitely start playing this game on P*. The only problem is my home computer is a notebook with touch-pad... not so great when you have to select which cards to discard each time. I'd be afraid of a lot of mis-clicks. Will have to dig up a $3 mouse for it.

Btw, thanks for all the great advice/strategy and links. This thread (and particularly that big post above) is one of the best online-poker related resources on all of ChipTalk.net, imo. You should consider making it a review/article/wiki-thingy.

[VARoadstter]

Originally Posted by jdunford

Btw, thanks for all the great advice/strategy and links. This thread (and particularly that big post above) is one of the best online-poker related resources on all of ChipTalk.net, imo. You should consider making it a review/article/wiki-thingy.

I've thought about it. Honestly, there's not much that I'd say in an article that isn't covered better by Daniel Negraneau in SS 2. I suppose I could write a half decent primer, though. Thanks for the encouragement.

[imthatguy]

LOL. This game is hilarious. Check out my donktacular play!

PokerStars Game #15545536420: Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/02/25 - 14:56:24 (ET)
Table 'Kamenyar III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: dutch393 ($14.65 in chips)
Seat 3: mattythatguy ($23.50 in chips)
Seat 4: GIANNI1802 ($33.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Jake_A_V ($34.85 in chips)
Seat 6: darrick00 ($11.10 in chips)
darrick00: posts small blind $0.25
dutch393: posts big blind $0.50
ns_ent: sits out
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to mattythatguy [Qh 2s 2c 7s 6d]
mattythatguy: raises $0.50 to $1
GIANNI1802: calls $1
Jake_A_V: folds
darrick00: folds
dutch393: folds
*** FIRST DRAW ***
mattythatguy: discards 2 cards [Qh 2s]
Dealt to mattythatguy [2c 7s 6d] [Jh Js]
GIANNI1802: discards 1 card
mattythatguy: checks
GIANNI1802: bets $2.65
mattythatguy: calls $2.65
*** SECOND DRAW ***
mattythatguy: discards 2 cards [Jh Js]
Dealt to mattythatguy [2c 7s 6d] [3s 8s]
GIANNI1802: discards 1 card
mattythatguy: bets $1.50
GIANNI1802: raises $10.70 to $12.20
mattythatguy: raises $7.65 to $19.85 and is all-in
GIANNI1802: calls $7.65
*** THIRD DRAW ***
mattythatguy: stands pat on [2c 7s 6d 3s 8s]
GIANNI1802: discards 1 card
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mattythatguy: shows [3s 8s 2c 7s 6d] (Lo: 8,7,6,3,2)
GIANNI1802: mucks hand
mattythatguy collected $45.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47.75 | Rake $2
Seat 1: dutch393 (big blind) folded before the Draw
Seat 3: mattythatguy showed [3s 8s 2c 7s 6d] and won ($45.75) with Lo: 8,7,6,3,2
Seat 4: GIANNI1802 mucked [6h 4h 5s 3c 2h]
Seat 5: Jake_A_V (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 6: darrick00 (small blind) folded before the Draw

[VARoadstter]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

LOL. This game is hilarious. Check out my donktacular play!

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Total pot $47.75 | Rake $2
Seat 1: dutch393 (big blind) folded before the Draw
Seat 3: mattythatguy showed [3s 8s 2c 7s 6d] and won ($45.75) with Lo: 8,7,6,3,2
Seat 4: GIANNI1802 mucked [6h 4h 5s 3c 2h]
Seat 5: Jake_A_V (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 6: darrick00 (small blind) folded before the Draw

I don't consider your play donktacular at all. It's a drawing game and sometimes you hit your draws. You had a 2nd nut draw on the deal. I would probably have just called the raise before the 3rd draw instead of raising but that's a matter for debate. You would have gotten the rest in at the showdown, anyway.

Aggression and position. Bluffing not a big factor. The key to success. Oh, and the ability to draw out - you luckbox

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

LOL. This game is hilarious. Check out my donktacular play!

PokerStars Game #15545536420: Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/02/25 - 14:56:24 (ET)
...

Um, Dudez, are you playin' tha 2-7 triple draw AT WORK!! You B@$TARD!! I'm sooooo jealous!!!



*EDIT* Oh wait, you're a mod now...

Um, nice hand sir!

Please don't ban me!