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Old 05-25-2007, 10:21 PM
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Have you ever folded KK preflop?

Have you ever folded KK preflop? And if so what level and why?
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

I was in a NL Texas holdem game. There were 4 people left. I spot left to cash.
Blinds were sick and sicker. Some one to my right when all in. I had KK OTB and folded. Ended winning the tourney.
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Old 05-25-2007, 10:50 PM
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

No but I should of last weekend when my KK found AA on the button and the board fired a bunch of blanks
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

i personally, no.

and i i think that in a cash game unless you have the PERFECT read + plus DEEP DEEP stacks there is no reason to ever fold it.

Tournament is different, we could come up with scenarios where you should even fold AA.
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Old 05-25-2007, 11:15 PM
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

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Tournament is different, we could come up with scenarios where you should even fold AA.
I'd be interested to hear a scenario where one should fold AA pre-flop in a tournament. Even if I'm the BB and 9 other players at a full table have gone all-in ahead of me (which I've never seen), I could think of good arguments for calling (like, chances are the other two aces are in other players' hands, and you'll be much less than 50% to win, but still a favourite over any other individual - besides, they probably hold each other's outs, too).

I was playing in a mini (6-player) $5 buy-in winner-takes-all tournament after busting out of a much larger tournament (B&M). I was the only player taking it (reasonably) seriously and had folded every hand so far. Someone was all-in nearly every hand. Finally, I was the BB and found myself holding AA; everyone (literally) pushed ahead of me "just to get it over with". I called (of course). One player had 64o and the flop came 44x. Luckily, I caught an A on the turn. Busted all but one player who had me covered. I went on to win a few hands later.

I've also had AA backfire this way. Online in a cash game, I called after two other players were all-in ahead of me. One had JJ while the other had AA, too. a J hit on the flop, and he cracked both our AA's. But it was still (clearly) a good call.

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Forgot to mention that I think you have it backwards. In a tournament, you're under pressure (from the clock) to build your stack. You don't have time to fold premium hands like KK or AA, and have to take more risks. In a cash game, you can play much tighter and spend more time avoiding risky situations. An extremely tight and risk-averse player might fold AKs or KK, or even AA if several players raise, re-raise, and push all-in ahead of him. You can afford to wait until you get these premium hands in a more favourable situation.
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

When to fold AA pre-flop:

Let's say you're on the button with a short stack in a satelite tournament. Top 5 players get entries to some WSOP tournament or something, 6th place gets nothing. There's 6 players left and 2 people in front of you has gone all in. Fold your AA and guarantee yourself a ticket. Since 5th pays the same as 1st you don't need to accumulate any more chips, you just need to outlast one player.

In cash games it cannot be correct to fold AA pre-flop.
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

As for folding KK, I think it was Harrington that said never to fold KK pre-flop. The couple of times you find yourself up against AA is not worth potentially folding against a QQ or AK. And you can always Farha them when you do end up facing the aces.
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

Devilboy gave a good example of when to fold AA pf - pretty exceptional circumstances, but that is one. I don't think I would ever through away AA pf in a cash game. That's just burning cash.

As to the OP, no, I've never folded KK pf. I *might* in a tourney on the bubble if, say, I'm in second and the leading stack put in a big raise, and there are a couple of shortstacks that are sure to bust ASAP. Hasn't happened yet.

I've folded QQ and AK pf a few times, but I don't think that's too crazy.
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

I would never fold AA oder KK preflop no matter what.
Only as mentioned before when you're on the bubble in a tournament and you got less tchips than your opponent.
What are the odds to run into Aces when you got KK?
When somebody's got an Ace and hits it on the flop, you still didn't do anything wrong preflop.
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Re: Have you ever folded KK preflop?

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As for folding KK, I think it was Harrington that said never to fold KK pre-flop. The couple of times you find yourself up against AA is not worth potentially folding against a QQ or AK. And you can always Farha them when you do end up facing the aces.

I agree, I was posting more out of frustration than anything. I was playing NL50 and NL25 last night and ran into AA twice with KK preflop...in approx 1200+ hands. I love poker!
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