Play through this hand with me

BrettButter · #1 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 11:11 PM

This is going to seem like a simple hand, but I guess I did something wrong..

PokerStars Game #9936253202: Tournament #50401432, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/05/16 - 00:07:59 (ET)
Table '50401432 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Da Sha (1420 in chips)
Seat 2: eggi1911 (3240 in chips)
Seat 3: BrettButter (1680 in chips)
Seat 5: LogicTrap (1415 in chips)
Seat 6: CardMastaD. (1760 in chips)
Seat 7: Sutednbooted (1620 in chips)
Seat 8: Arndt (1305 in chips)
Seat 9: SuperDonR (1060 in chips)
SuperDonR: posts small blind 25
Da Sha: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BrettButter [Jh Jc]
eggi1911: calls 50

Action is on me. I'm a TAG, if people are paying attention. My first instinct is to raise to 200. My second instinct is to raise to 150.

littlebu · #2 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 11:13 PM

sometimes I'll limp along. My default and 90% of the time is a 200-225 raise.

BrettButter · #3 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 02:34 PM

No interest, thanks for at least humoring me Wes.

BrettButter: raises 150 to 200
LogicTrap: folds
CardMastaD.: folds
Sutednbooted: folds
Arndt: folds
SuperDonR: calls 175
Da Sha: folds
eggi1911: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d Jd 7s]
SuperDonR: bets 860 and is all-in
BrettButter: calls 860
*** TURN *** [8d Jd 7s] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8d Jd 7s 9d] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SuperDonR: shows [Kd Td] (a flush, King high)
BrettButter: shows [Jh Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
SuperDonR collected 2220 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2220 | Rake 0
Board [8d Jd 7s 9d 6c]
Seat 1: Da Sha (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: eggi1911 folded before Flop
Seat 3: BrettButter showed [Jh Jc] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 5: LogicTrap folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: CardMastaD. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Sutednbooted folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Arndt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SuperDonR (small blind) showed [Kd Td] and won (2220) with a flush, King high

Big Mike · #4 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 02:48 PM

Well, I hardly think you played it wrong. Most of the time that push is going to be a flush draw, or an overpair (prob AA). Sometimes flopped set of 8's or 7's, I guess.
A flopped straight would likely have checkraised you allin, or strung you along a bit more. Even if it was a straight, you have outs. I'd call here everytime unless he pushed and showed the 9T.
That's just poker.

gagners · #5 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 03:09 PM

I agree with BM here. Nothing wrong with the way you played it. only a 9 10 had you beat after the flop and, based on your raise, you could almost bet that he didn't call pre-flop with that (unless he's an absolute donk).

It's just a bad hit to take. Sorry.

And you only gave the board an hour and 20 minutes to reply before your "no interest" post - which, depending on time zones, could be people's lunch break. (that, and maybe people have become immune to your bad-beat posts)

hachkc · #6 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 03:15 PM

Yea, sh!t happens.

Nothing wrong with your play.

f'ing jacks.

BrettButter · #7 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 08:35 PM

I had a hunch he had a FD, I run into that move a lot with them. With just top pair, maybe even an overpair I might be able to lay it down. I wasn't sure if anyone would make an argument to fold, given the flush and straight possibilities (he had both draws)

With blind structure already, I knew I was ahead, and called hoping to hang on. I didn't. Oops. I still had a re-draw on the river to take it down, but it didn't come.

Big Mike · #8 (**permalink**) 05-16-2007, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrettButter

I wasn't sure if anyone would make an argument to fold, given the flush and straight possibilities (he had both draws)

The only time you're ever going to fold that is in a tournament situation where folding can move you up in the money almost certainly and substantially (ie one or more opponents is very short stacked with the blinds coming soon.) Just like it's sometimes right to fold AA preflop.
You are ahead 98% of the time here, and have 10 outs to the river if you fall behind on the turn.

coyote · #9 (**permalink**) 05-17-2007, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hachkc

Yea, sh!t happens.

Nothing wrong with your play. I like his play better in a cash game than a tourney (push with 13 out combo draw) though he's got you out chipped by almost 2:1.

f'ing jacks.

Really??? My first instinct is exactly the opposite. Although I think I see where you're coming from.... 13 outs (actually 12 right? Unless your counting the 3 Kings as an out) it's not too far from a coinflip and you can always reload in a cash game whereas in the tourney, when you're out, you're out...

Is that your line on this?

to the OP, folding top set here would be awful, just awful.

BrettButter · #10 (**permalink**) 05-17-2007, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gagners

I agree with BM here. Nothing wrong with the way you played it. only a 9 10 had you beat after the flop and, based on your raise, you could almost bet that he didn't call pre-flop with that (unless he's an absolute donk).

It's just a bad hit to take. Sorry.

And you only gave the board an hour and 20 minutes to reply before your "no interest" post - which, depending on time zones, could be people's lunch break. (that, and maybe people have become immune to your bad-beat posts)

Actually, it was over 15 hours. I'm not sure how you came up with an hour and 20 minutes, even if you thought the 12 were pm, or 3 were am, that would still be a minimum of three hours..

12:11 a.m. ---> 3:34 p.m.