[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by mattjrocks

Online poker is just crazy. I was playing a $10+$1 SNG on Full Tilt Sunday evening. 9 player table I am in final three, in second, with the chip leader about 1,000 in front of me and the guy in third was way behind. I was dealt AcAd. I call in first position, leader goes all in, third folds, I call all in. Showdown; my AA vs. his As2h! I'm thinking yesss! Well, I don't remember what the cards were but they proceeded to flop three spades, turn spade, river spade. Even the guy who won said now that was sick! Full Tilt....name fits.

crazy. i tells yah, it seems like that happens nearly 7% of the time online. in real life it's only like 6.79% of the time.

[JM]

Originally Posted by shanghai_sparky

Screw variance, Queens are cursed!
Dump them!

Noel, stop using sparky's account!

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by AceOnRiver

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comFlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Plain Text)
Button ($68.60)
Hero ($47.35)
BB (villian) ($26.20)
UTG ($35.85)
MP ($82.55)
CO ($2
Preflop: Hero is SB with As, Ac.
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, BB (villian) calls $1.
Flop: ($3) 6s, 3h, Jd (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, villian calls $1.50.
Turn: ($6) Js (2 players)
Hero checks, villian bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50.
River: ($13) Kc (2 players)
Hero checks, villian bets $19.7 (All-In), Hero calls $19.70.
Final Pot: $52.40

villian: shows [Qd 6d] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)

Do you see how different this hand is to the JJ one? Not just the relative strength of your two hands, either. There is a huge difference here with the villain's float and making a small bet after you showed weakness, and the villain's float and big check raise in the JJ hand. You induced a bluff with your weak turn play.

now my other problem is that it seems like whenever i have a big pair QQ-AA and i get re-raised i post the hands on different sites and they all say fold fold fold.so at what point do you have to put the money in with a big pair.isnt that what kind of hand that you want to be dealt.

any advice is helpful.thank you

Read the board, read the player, and make a decision as to whether one pair is good. I put the money in with a big pair mostly when I'm the one pushing it in. Unless I suckered a bluff out of the guy, or have a good read.

[jldecarlo]

To kind of rephrase what JoJo has said. There are three main possibilities:

1. It's variance.
2. You aren't as good as you think you are, OR you aren't playing your best.
3. It's rigged.

If you really believe it's number 3, why are you playing?
Number 1 is beyond your control.
Number 2 is the only possibility that you have any control over. You need to take a step back and review your play. Are you playing too aggressively? Are you on tilt? Are you playing scared? Are you really not as good as you think?


I guess the point is that if you work hard on improving your play, how does that hurt you? If it's just variance, when your luck returns to (at least) neutral, you'll be even better able to take advantage of it.


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[littlebu]

I would have checked the turn.

Originally Posted by AceOnRiver

i would like to add 1 thing and get some advice on a hand that is in the OP im not sure which number it is.

first i have read some people saying that i am just a bad player.i have been playing poker for 5 years and online poker for 4 of those 5.even after i have taken this $600 loss i am still up a total of $1800-$2000 as a recreational player.i play maybe 3 times per week at absolute most and thats it.i would say that im a average player maybe litle above average.but by no stretch of the imagination am a good or great player.i have just hit a rough stretch that i havent experienced yet and has me rattled.i have had many bad streaks in my 5 years of playing but nothing like this before and it had me rattled and then it turned into FBT(full blown tilt).


now for the advice on this hand.first of all i was wrong it was 4 handed i thought it was 3.it is the 4 handed game.i dont know if you guys understood me when i said this.it was 4 handed not a 4 way pot.i was at a 6-max table and only 4 people were sitting and playing(me and 3 opponents).here is the HH

POKERSTARS GAME #9918423472: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/14 - 23:47:16 (ET)
Table 'Thebe IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: button ($36.15 in chips)
Seat 3: SB ($15.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Villian ($52.60 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO ($59.75 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $0.25
villian: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO[Jc Js]
HERO: raises $1.50 to $2
button: folds
SB: folds
villian: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [6h 2h 3s]
villian: checks
HERO: bets $3.50
villian: calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [6h 2h 3s] [Tc]
villian: checks
HERO: bets $8
villian: raises $18 to $26
HERO: raises $24.50 to $50.50
villian: calls $21.10 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [6h 2h 3s Tc] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
villian: shows [4s 5h] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
HERO: shows [Jc Js] (a pair of Jacks)
villian collected $103.45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $105.45 | Rake $2

now i want to ask.how many of you fold this.if so what can you put him on.the only thing i am scared of is 22,33,66.in my opinion if i have an overpair and someone flops a set then i am going to go broke if the board isnt to scary.nnow if the board is 678,789,even 456 then i would be more hesitant but the board seemed to be pretty good for me.since he had to have 45 to have the straight.hard to put someone on 45.thats whyu the only hands im scared of are 22,33,66.then to top off my decision it is only a 4 handed game.if someone flops a set then im going broke unless scary board as i just stated.

give me feedback of what i did wrong and what you would have done.anything will help.thanks guys again.

[guitarizt]

Originally Posted by A-Ro

Also, make sure you're not playing outside your bankroll. As your roll drops, you should drop in stakes (don't be prideful).

I adapted this for my game from something I read from C Ferguson:

Bankroll Mgt:
up to $100 = $2.50 s&g or .05/.10NL; $1 multi table tourney
$100 = $5 s&g or .10/.25NL; $2.50 mutli table tourney
$200 = $10 s&g or .25/50NL; $5 multi table tourney
$400 = $20 s&g or .50/1NL; $10 multi table tourney
$800 = $40 s&g or 1/2NL; $20 multi table tourney
$1800 = $100 s&g or 2/5NL; $50 multi table tourney
$3800 = $200 s&g or 5/10NL; $100 multi table tourney

That is way too small. Most people would want to take the recommended and double it. I personally like to have 3x as much as the original figures.

On that JJ you have to fold on the turn. He knows you have an overpair and he knows he has you beat. When you start playing again play $25nl on stars. I think you said you played like 6k hands or something, that's a super small sample size. Some people play that much in a day, but still a double figure buyin swing should be rare.

[SCSTWG]

Welcome to NL. Seriously, if you are going to play NL, you need to be willing to take some beats on big pots. I also agree with another post that says you are getting your money in with 1 pair way too often.

I would take a break and read a book. Come back to the game when you have a positive attitude. I would also tighten up and not get your money in unless you know you are out front.

[monkeydog]

[quote=guitarizt;553749]That is way too small. Most people would want to take the recommended and double it. I personally like to have 3x as much as the original figures.

I definately agree, especially at NL you need more, at least 20 buyins at each level, they dont call it a grind for nothing.

[monkeydog]

Raise your big PP more, 3xbb+1/limper minimum, you may not always get action but you have to make the fish pay to play their junk. Put them in a situation where you have to get unlucky to win.

If they call your raise and the flop hits, evaluate the board and the action, if it smells bad it probably is. I call min. raises and 3x raises all day long with ANY pair as long as I have position and close out the action, if my 33 miss the set on the flop I either get a free card when he checks or can evaluate his bet, if pot odds are there (or implied odds) make the call hoping for a set,(watching for straight and flush draws). If you hit, his stack is yours and all he has left is a "bad beat" story about some donk who called a raise preflop with a small pair.

If you have PT use the filters and check pocket pairs to see where you win your real money.

[OnTheButton]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

If you can't deal with this kind of stuff, stop playing poker. That's what I did. It works pretty well. Don't post about it on a message board. No one is going to feel sorry for you and donate to your poker fund.

BTW, no, it's not variance. You're too willing to play big pots with one pair.

I have to agree with yeltzen here.


About 3 weeks ago I had a conversation with my wife, who claimed to be on a bad run and was getting really upset. The next time we played I paid special attention to what cards she was getting and losing with.

What I saw was that she was not evaluating the strength of her hand to the contents of the pot. The hands she was losing with were exactly the type the OP stated: A favorite, but not near the nuts, usually a single pair, sometimes two weak pair, often losing the pot only to a slightly higher kicker at times.

So the following couple of weeks she played fewer hands, waiting for more strength to make the push or the big call, and she's been winning fewer, but larger pots because of it, but coming out ahead in the end. A little less exciting to not chase cards at times? Yes. More profitable in the long run? Absolutely.

Even with AA, unless I'm short stacked in a tourment, I won't risk my existence at the table on one pair with 5 more cards still to play out.