Hit a Set 3x's and still lose a SNG

Irish Se7en · #1 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:40 AM

Here are the following hands of a poor soul (cantana ) who hit a set 3x's in a $6+.50 Turbo SNG and got knocked out early. On a couple of his hands he could have let them go but either way, tough to lose when you hit a set 3 x's. First time I saw that in a SNG.

PokerStars Game #9903449188: Tournament #50247464, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/05/14 - 03:33:47 (ET)
Table '50247464 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: easydoubleup (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (2000 in chips)
Seat 3: javex1 (1260 in chips)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (2650 in chips)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: Eple87 (1510 in chips)
Seat 7: cantana (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: nertz (1610 in chips)
Eple87: posts small blind 10
cantana: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [4s 6d]
nertz: folds
easydoubleup: folds
Bogdan78: folds
javex1: folds
Irish Se7en: folds
STS9 BILL: folds
Eple87: raises 40 to 60
cantana: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Th 7s 8c]
Eple87: bets 120
cantana: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Th 7s 8c] [Js]
Eple87: checks
cantana: bets 80
Eple87: raises 200 to 280
cantana: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [Th 7s 8c Js] [As]
Eple87: checks
cantana: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Eple87: shows [9c 9h] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
cantana: shows [7h 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Eple87 collected 920 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 920 | Rake 0
Board [Th 7s 8c Js As]
Seat 1: easydoubleup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: javex1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Eple87 (small blind) showed [9c 9h] and won (920) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 7: cantana (big blind) showed [7h 7c] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 8: nertz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #9903490251: Tournament #50247464, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/14 - 03:40:40 (ET)
Table '50247464 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: easydoubleup (1135 in chips)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (2490 in chips)
Seat 3: javex1 (1515 in chips)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (2650 in chips)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (1245 in chips)
Seat 6: Eple87 (1925 in chips)
Seat 7: cantana (1095 in chips)
Seat 8: nertz (1445 in chips)
javex1: posts small blind 15
Irish Se7en: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [Ah 3s]
STS9 BILL: raises 90 to 120
Eple87: folds
cantana: calls 120
nertz: calls 120
easydoubleup: folds
Bogdan78: folds
javex1: folds
Irish Se7en: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs Jh 7c]
STS9 BILL: checks
cantana: bets 60
nertz: calls 60
STS9 BILL: calls 60
*** TURN *** [Qs Jh 7c] [Tc]
STS9 BILL: checks
cantana: bets 180
nertz: folds
STS9 BILL: raises 180 to 360
cantana: calls 180
*** RIVER *** [Qs Jh 7c Tc] [9h]
STS9 BILL: bets 300
cantana: calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STS9 BILL: shows [Kc Ac] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
cantana: shows [Th Ts] (three of a kind, Tens)
STS9 BILL collected 1905 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1905 | Rake 0
Board [Qs Jh 7c Tc 9h]
Seat 1: easydoubleup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: javex1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: STS9 BILL showed [Kc Ac] and won (1905) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 6: Eple87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cantana showed [Th Ts] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 8: nertz folded on the Turn

PokerStars Game #9903501733: Tournament #50247464, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/05/14 - 03:42:38 (ET)
Table '50247464 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: easydoubleup (1135 in chips)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (2565 in chips)
Seat 3: javex1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (2670 in chips)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (2235 in chips)
Seat 6: Eple87 (1875 in chips)
Seat 7: cantana (255 in chips)
Seat 8: nertz (1265 in chips)
Eple87: posts small blind 25
cantana: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [2s 9c]
nertz: folds
easydoubleup: calls 50
Bogdan78: folds
javex1: folds
Irish Se7en: folds
STS9 BILL: calls 50
Eple87: calls 25
cantana: raises 205 to 255 and is all-in
easydoubleup: raises 880 to 1135 and is all-in
STS9 BILL: folds
Eple87: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 8c 9d]
*** TURN *** [Th 8c 9d] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Th 8c 9d Jd] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cantana: shows [Ts Td] (three of a kind, Tens)
easydoubleup: shows [7c 7h] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
easydoubleup collected 610 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 610 | Rake 0
Board [Th 8c 9d Jd 2h]
Seat 1: easydoubleup showed [7c 7h] and won (610) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 2: Bogdan78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: javex1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (button) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Eple87 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: cantana (big blind) showed [Ts Td] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 8: nertz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Fortunately, I had a little better luck when I hit my sets.

PokerStars Game #9903556315: Tournament #50247464, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/05/14 - 03:52:06 (ET)
Table '50247464 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: easydoubleup (1490 in chips)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (2740 in chips)
Seat 3: javex1 (1225 in chips)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (2745 in chips)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (2535 in chips)
Seat 6: Eple87 (1725 in chips)
Seat 8: nertz (1040 in chips)
STS9 BILL: posts small blind 75
Eple87: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [Jd Js]
nertz: raises 890 to 1040 and is all-in
easydoubleup: folds
Bogdan78: folds
javex1: folds
Irish Se7en: calls 1040
STS9 BILL: folds
Eple87: folds
*** FLOP *** [3d Jh 4c]
*** TURN *** [3d Jh 4c] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [3d Jh 4c Kh] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nertz: shows [Ah Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Irish Se7en: shows [Jd Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Irish Se7en collected 2305 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2305 | Rake 0
Board [3d Jh 4c Kh 8h]
Seat 1: easydoubleup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: javex1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (button) showed [Jd Js] and won (2305) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Eple87 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: nertz showed [Ah Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings

PokerStars Game #9903571519: Tournament #50247464, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/05/14 - 03:54:43 (ET)
Table '50247464 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: easydoubleup (1265 in chips)
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (2515 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: javex1 (1000 in chips)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (4010 in chips)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (2985 in chips)
Seat 6: Eple87 (1725 in chips)
STS9 BILL: posts small blind 75
Eple87: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [Ac Ah]
easydoubleup: raises 1115 to 1265 and is all-in
Bogdan78: folds
javex1: folds
Irish Se7en: raises 1115 to 2380
STS9 BILL: folds
Eple87: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh 8d Ad]
*** TURN *** [Kh 8d Ad] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 8d Ad 7h] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
easydoubleup: shows [2c 2h] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
Irish Se7en: shows [Ac Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
Irish Se7en collected 2755 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2755 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 8d Ad 7h Kc]
Seat 1: easydoubleup showed [2c 2h] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 2: Bogdan78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: javex1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (button) showed [Ac Ah] and won (2755) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Eple87 (big blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #9903591211: Tournament #50247464, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/05/14 - 03:58:09 (ET)
Table '50247464 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (1490 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (5800 in chips)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (2660 in chips)
Seat 6: Eple87 (3550 in chips)
Bogdan78: posts small blind 100
Irish Se7en: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [7c 7s]
STS9 BILL: raises 400 to 600
Eple87: folds
Bogdan78: folds
Irish Se7en: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [9h 3s 7d]
Irish Se7en: checks
STS9 BILL: checks
*** TURN *** [9h 3s 7d] [9s]
Irish Se7en: bets 800
STS9 BILL: folds
Irish Se7en collected 1300 from pot
Irish Se7en: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1300 | Rake 0
Board [9h 3s 7d 9s]
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (big blind) collected (1300)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Eple87 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

(played the hand poorly, should have waited to the river card hit)

PokerStars Game #9903596457: Tournament #50247464, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/05/14 - 03:59:04 (ET)
Table '50247464 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (1190 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (6400 in chips)
Seat 5: STS9 BILL (3720 in chips)
Seat 6: Eple87 (2190 in chips)
Bogdan78: posts small blind 100
Irish Se7en: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [3c 3s]
STS9 BILL: folds
Eple87: raises 200 to 400
Bogdan78: folds
Irish Se7en: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [As Td 9d]
Irish Se7en: checks
Eple87: checks
*** TURN *** [As Td 9d] [3h]
Irish Se7en: bets 800
Eple87: raises 990 to 1790 and is all-in
Irish Se7en: calls 990
*** RIVER *** [As Td 9d 3h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Irish Se7en: shows [3c 3s] (three of a kind, Threes)
Eple87: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Irish Se7en collected 4480 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4480 | Rake 0
Board [As Td 9d 3h Jd]
Seat 2: Bogdan78 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Irish Se7en (big blind) showed [3c 3s] and won (4480) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 5: STS9 BILL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Eple87 (button) showed [Kh Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings

Poker gods were kind to me this SNG, sometimes you need a little help.

Chipmunk · #2 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 04:13 AM

I'm also a bit lost playing sets on draw heavy boards. Especially on hands like this where just one card is needed for the straight:

*** FLOP *** [Th 7s 8c]
Eple87: bets 120
cantana: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Th 7s 8c] [Js]
Eple87: checks
cantana: bets 80
Eple87: raises 200 to 280
cantana: calls 200

BrettButter · #3 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 09:14 AM

I remember hitting a set once, vaguely.

Flopping THREE sets, in addition to turning another in the same tournament, WOW!

w16227 · #4 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipmunk

I'm also a bit lost playing sets on draw heavy boards. Especially on hands like this where just one card is needed for the straight:

*** FLOP *** [Th 7s 8c]
Eple87: bets 120
cantana: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Th 7s 8c] [Js]
Eple87: checks
cantana: bets 80
Eple87: raises 200 to 280
cantana: calls 200

The problem with this hand is that cantana needs to use a better betting strategy. The flop bet was good - but they were called and then the check on a very scary board. Bet 80? WHY. If they are going to bet the turn, it needs to show strength, not weakness. Betting 80 gives anyone with a real hand the opportunity to punish you, plus those real aggressive players may see this as a real weak move and try to push you off of the hand. If you bet - bet like 200. If they raise, you know you are beat. If they call, you can re-evaluate based on the river.

Better move - check behind. You do not want to get too involved with this hand after the river, plus you have position. A check from a decent player in this situation does not mean weakness, in fact - many would do this to entice a bluff on the river if the turn made their hand. This keeps the pot size more manageable. The only way that you want to commit significant chips is if the board pairs, and you will not see that until the river. Cantana has position, but is not using it.

Chipmunk · #5 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 02:05 PM

Good points w16227. I re-read the hand histories before I posted that part, trying to figure out where he should have shown strength but I didn't really know. The minbet on the turn is awkward. You are right that a check would have been better. Although I do hate to give free cards.