[squiggly]

What do you do here? 8ROM and nickdevil7 are crazy loose and have gone all in last 2 hands.

PokerStars Game #9683575241: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/04/30 - 14:50:38 (ET)
Table 'Saskia' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 8ROM ($117.30 in chips)
Seat 2: nickdevil7 ($58.40 in chips)
Seat 3: dojaman69 ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 4: qwertzum ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 5: jclib ($95 in chips)
Seat 6: Rudibomben ($162.90 in chips)
Seat 7: coatcheck ($27.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Squiggly69 ($53.30 in chips)
beetge will be allowed to play after the button
Squiggly69: posts small blind $0.50
8ROM: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Squiggly69 [8h 8c]
nickdevil7: raises $2 to $3
dojaman69: calls $3
qwertzum: folds
jclib: folds
Rudibomben: folds
coatcheck: folds
Squiggly69: calls $2.50
8ROM: raises $114.30 to $117.30 and is all-in
nickdevil7: calls $55.40 and is all-in
dojaman69: folds
Squiggly69: ???????

[Colquhoun]

Chances are you are a coin-flip...or worse. I can think of better things to do than flip a coin for 50 bucks. And that is if you are not dead already...
Hopefully those two knuckle-heads will both be there when you can pick a better spot.

[ACE'S FULL]

Originally Posted by Colquhoun

Chances are you are a coin-flip...or worse. I can think of better things to do than flip a coin for 50 bucks. And that is if you are not dead already...

Agreed 100% Insta-Fold....

[TheMightyJim2k]

this is a spot where you could easily call against 1 player, but your equity isn't that great against two. I would insta-call with AK, but I'm probably folding this because if they have 4 live over cards I don't have much of an edge.

[squiggly]

Well, I was torn at first since watching these other two pass money back and forth in their all-ins from the previous 2 or 3 hands... but I folded. So yay me.

Of course, had I called.....

Squiggly69: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s 6d 8d]
*** TURN *** [8s 6d 8d] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8s 6d 8d 9d] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
8ROM: shows [Kc Ad] (a pair of Eights)
nickdevil7: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Eights)
8ROM collected $59.90 from pot
nickdevil7 collected $59.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $122.80 | Rake $3
Board [8s 6d 8d 9d Jc]
Seat 1: 8ROM (big blind) showed [Kc Ad] and won ($59.90) with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: nickdevil7 showed [Kh Ah] and won ($59.90) with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: dojaman69 folded before Flop
Seat 4: qwertzum folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jclib folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Rudibomben folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: coatcheck (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Squiggly69 (small blind) folded before Flop


I hate this game sometimes...

[jdunford]

Easy fold here.

Having seen the outcome, it's too bad they didn't let you see the flop for $3. That would've been a nice triple-up!

[Wedge Rock]

Rest assured, fold was the right play. With that deep of stacks, you had to expect one of them to have AA, KK. QQ or AK. You're behind to any of them except the AK.

And even if you know 100% that these two knuckleheads hold nothing more than a big drawing hand, you don't want to put that much in the middle with a middle pair and no option of playing the cards later on (you're just a spectator at that point).

Good fold, horrible result.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by Wedge Rock

Rest assured, fold was the right play. With that deep of stacks, you had to expect one of them to have AA, KK. QQ or AK. You're behind to any of them except the AK.

I think the range is bigger than that, but that mostly makes it worse, not better. Add in the fact that it seems a bit collusion-y, easy fold.

[tmpa2001]

Originally Posted by squiggly

Squiggly69: posts small blind $0.50
8ROM: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Squiggly69 [8h 8c]
nickdevil7: raises $2 to $3
dojaman69: calls $3
qwertzum: folds
jclib: folds
Rudibomben: folds
coatcheck: folds
Squiggly69: calls $2.50
8ROM: raises $114.30 to $117.30 and is all-in
nickdevil7: calls $55.40 and is all-in

Easy fold. One of them has AK and the other high PP.

[Colquhoun]

Here is why this is so dangerous. Even if you KNOW they do not have an over-pair or a powerhouse like AK....you can STILL be in trouble. Even though you have the best cards (by a fraction), the odds are against you winning anything here. Look at this scenario:



You have only a 36% chance to win against an opponent holding J 10os and another holding a very weak ace. 88 plays fine in a tournament when acting first, and pushing all-in. You would be getting better odds playing Keno with that 50 bucks.