[TheMightyJim2k]

I really don't ever post them. And I hate whining about them. I just played probably the best session of limit poker in my life, and I won 2 BBs, but I'm still very very happy. I played my best made almost entirely correct decisions, just faced some horrible beats to come out barely ahead. I had to share this one because, well, it is the worst beat i have ever seen.....

STAGE #558091630: HOLDEM NORMAL $3/$6 - 2007-01-28 01:37:15 (ET)
Table: GRISWOLD CRES (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - THEMIGHTYJIM ($334.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - MICHFAN20 ($58.46 in chips)
Seat 2 - CRISPIN001 ($8.04 in chips)
Seat 3 - GENO_ ($109.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - MEGG19 ($136.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - JACK POT JIM ($611.71 in chips)
MICHFAN20 - Posts small blind $2
CRISPIN001 - Posts big blind $3
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to THEMIGHTYJIM [Ah Ac]
GENO_ - Folds
MEGG19 - Folds
JACK POT JIM - Folds
THEMIGHTYJIM - Calls $3
MICHFAN20 - Calls $1
CRISPIN001 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 4h As]
MICHFAN20 - Bets $3
CRISPIN001 - Folds
THEMIGHTYJIM - Calls $3
*** TURN *** [7h 4h As] [Ad]
MICHFAN20 - Checks
THEMIGHTYJIM - Bets $6
MICHFAN20 - Raises $12 to $12
THEMIGHTYJIM - Calls $6
*** RIVER *** [7h 4h As Ad] [3h]
MICHFAN20 - Bets $6
THEMIGHTYJIM - Raises $12 to $12
MICHFAN20 - Raises $12 to $18
THEMIGHTYJIM - Raises $12 to $24
MICHFAN20 - Calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THEMIGHTYJIM - Shows [Ah Ac] (Four of a kind, aces)
MICHFAN20 - Shows [6h 5h] (Straight flush, seven)
MICHFAN20 Collects $84 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($87) | Rake ($3)
Board [7h 4h As Ad 3h]
Seat 1: MICHFAN20 (small blind) won Total ($84) HI: ($84) with Straight flush, seven [6h 5h - B,P,P,B,B]
Seat 2: CRISPIN001 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: GENO_ Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: MEGG19 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: JACK POT JIM Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: THEMIGHTYJIM (dealer) HI:lost with Four of a kind, aces [Ah Ac - B,P,B,P,B]



yeah he hit a straight flush to beat my quad aces on the river. if only this was Party Poker's old stupid bad beat jackpot tables I would have won $30,000 or something. ugh

[BrettButter]

That's just.. .. wow.

I'm so sorry. That's rough. On the bright side, the pot wasn't gigantic (3+ bets per round) - but still big enough for it to really sting. Wow.

[shadesofgrey]

uber wow. i hate whining. but you get a pass!

that is sick. is that what happens when you bet out AAAA in LIMIT? its why i wont touch limit anymore.

look at it half full... you should be counting your blessings that he didnt have more money. period. if your vill was JACK POT JIM- you'd be done and done from that table.

i see you finding moving mula online solutions. nice work!

[bludevilstud5]

My butt would hurt after that one . YOu either ride until she bucks you or you dont ride at all.

[Irish Se7en]

How would you rate your play on this hand? You limped in with the hand. Bad Guy has nut straight flush draw. Being limit Hold'em it's difficult to get someone off a draw. It's a tough beat no doubt, but you let him play that hand.

I would have hated losing that hand too. Hitting Quad Aces to lose to a straight flush. Ouch!

[jojobinks]

preflop:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.058% 77.83% 00.23% 1332696 3900.50 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 21.942% 21.71% 00.23% 371807 3900.50 { 6h5h }

flop:
Board: As 4h 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.394% 59.39% 00.00% 588 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 40.606% 40.61% 00.00% 402 0.00 { 6h5h }

turn:
Board: As 4h 7h Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 95.455% 95.45% 00.00% 42 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 04.545% 04.55% 00.00% 2 0.00 { 6h5h }

that's pretty ill.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by Irish Se7en

How would you rate your play on this hand? You limped in with the hand. Bad Guy has nut straight flush draw. Being limit Hold'em it's difficult to get someone off a draw. It's a tough beat no doubt, but you let him play that hand.

I would have hated losing that hand too. Hitting Quad Aces to lose to a straight flush. Ouch!

i don't like going into too much detail on my thought process, because I've kind of begun thinking 3rd level on the 6 max tables against other thinking players. here is an attempt at a summary:

the blinds are pretty tight and will likely fold if i raise, but being six max they are likely to go to the river with any medium pair if I limp. I expect to get action on my hand, and it will be good most of the time. I'm losing some pf equity to lure them into big street betting. at 6 max limit you have to use deception sometimes and this is one of those plays i like to make. I'll also limp here with JTs, 98s, and low pkt pairs, and I will also raise with any of those hands in the same spot. its all somewhat game theory and trying to vary my play.

on the flop I know that I have most hands absolutely dominated, but the ones that have outs (like villains) aren't going anywhere with a raise. I would prefer to see a safe turn card hit and let him bet into me so I can raise the turn and trap him for 2 big bets while he is drawing.

on the turn I hit gin, and frankly i'm thinking he is drawing dead, but if he is bluffing i don't want to lose him (and turn bluffs in 6 max limit are fairly common). So he checks and of course I have to bet because noone thinks I have an A here and i figure to get paid off with a lot. Then he checkraises which means one of two things: he is bluffing on a draw or medium pair hoping he can move me off a non-A hand, or he has a full house. however if he is on a draw or weak hand and I three bet he will likely muck or only check call on the river if i bet, even if his draws come in. i want him to think his draws are live so that we can get three bets in on the river if he hits his flush or straight. Also he will likely bluff at the river again if he misses so I am going to make the same amount if he is drawing if he misses whether I three bet the turn or just call it. Once again I am sacrificing one big bet to try to maximize against and opponent that I think I am way ahead of.

the river hits and I assume he hit his flush so it is pretty obvious how it played out from there.

I really thought there was a glitch on absolute when I saw him being awarded the pot because I was playing 3 other tables and didn't even consider the straight flush.

BTW, if full ring I would never play this hand like this. I would have raise pf, bet/raised the flop, raised the turn, and obv capped the river. You have to play more straight forward in full ring because people are much less likely to be putting moves on you and you just have to value bet to death. In 6 max you have to learn how to play to an opponents weakness. Trapping the over aggressive players, calling down with weak hands again the lagtards, and value beting/raising with mediocre hands again calling stations and habitual bluffers. It requires a very interesting mix of straight forward value play, and really mixing it up and playing poker. Frankly the players are tough, and its hard, but I am playing "poker", more than being a full ring nit, and loving it. I highly recommend the switch for anyone who loves the game.

[shadesofgrey]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

i don't like going into too much detail on my thought process, because I've kind of begun thinking 3rd level on the 6 max tables against other thinking players. here is an attempt at a summary:

the blinds are pretty tight and will likely fold if i raise, but being six max they are likely to go to the river with any medium pair if I limp. I expect to get action on my hand, and it will be good most of the time. I'm losing some pf equity to lure them into big street betting. at 6 max limit you have to use deception sometimes and this is one of those plays i like to make. I'll also limp here with JTs, 98s, and low pkt pairs, and I will also raise with any of those hands in the same spot. its all somewhat game theory and trying to vary my play.

on the flop I know that I have most hands absolutely dominated, but the ones that have outs (like villains) aren't going anywhere with a raise. I would prefer to see a safe turn card hit and let him bet into me so I can raise the turn and trap him for 2 big bets while he is drawing.

on the turn I hit gin, and frankly i'm thinking he is drawing dead, but if he is bluffing i don't want to lose him (and turn bluffs in 6 max limit are fairly common). So he checks and of course I have to bet because noone thinks I have an A here and i figure to get paid off with a lot. Then he checkraises which means one of two things: he is bluffing on a draw or medium pair hoping he can move me off a non-A hand, or he has a full house. however if he is on a draw or weak hand and I three bet he will likely muck or only check call on the river if i bet, even if his draws come in. i want him to think his draws are live so that we can get three bets in on the river if he hits his flush or straight. Also he will likely bluff at the river again if he misses so I am going to make the same amount if he is drawing if he misses whether I three bet the turn or just call it. Once again I am sacrificing one big bet to try to maximize against and opponent that I think I am way ahead of.

the river hits and I assume he hit his flush so it is pretty obvious how it played out from there.

I really thought there was a glitch on absolute when I saw him being awarded the pot because I was playing 3 other tables and didn't even consider the straight flush.

BTW, if full ring I would never play this hand like this. I would have raise pf, bet/raised the flop, raised the turn, and obv capped the river. You have to play more straight forward in full ring because people are much less likely to be putting moves on you and you just have to value bet to death. In 6 max you have to learn how to play to an opponents weakness. Trapping the over aggressive players, calling down with weak hands again the lagtards, and value beting/raising with mediocre hands again calling stations and habitual bluffers. It requires a very interesting mix of straight forward value play, and really mixing it up and playing poker. Frankly the players are tought, and its hard, but I am playing "poker", more than being a full ring nit, and loving it. I highly recommend the switch for anyone who loves the game.

99.9% i am going for double/broke on this hand..

dude, i hear ya!

at least its not phil saying "i dodged bullets baby!"

[OnTheButton]

Wow.

Wow backwards.

Wow.

That just stinks.

[Irish Se7en]

TheMightyJim2k I was just trying to put myself in the villians place and how the hand was played. After reading your last post (great one btw), now I fully understand how you played it.

I'm always analyzing why people play certain hands and what their expected outcome of said hand will be after the flop, turn and river. I try to ask people those questions and receive a response that makes sense (to me at least). Rather than "they were suited" or "I play any picture cards" and lastly "these are my favorite 2 cars." As we know some ppl will play any ace rag too.

When it comes to limit hold'em I feel that I would lose a lot more than I would gain. Your knowledge of limit hold'em and most likely NLHE by far superseeds my knowledge of this game that we all enjoy.

Thanks for your response TheMightyJim2k,

Irish